Yes. This is not murder, though.Captain Seafort wrote:Tuvok and Neelix however, remain dead, despite the existence of the means to revive them.GrahamKennedy wrote:You aren't murdering anybody if you do nothing and let Tuvox live, which is what they should have done.
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Give a man a fire, and you keep him warm for a day. SET a man on fire, and you will keep him warm for the rest of his life...
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Man slaughter at the least.
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Not that either. Killing Tuvix was 1st degree murder; leaving people dead is no crime at all.Teaos wrote:Man slaughter at the least.
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What if its someone who has just drowned and you decide not to resuscitate?
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How is that related to this discusion? Your example has the chance of saving one life without killing or even risking the life of someone else. Tuvok and Neelix were considered already dead.kostmayer wrote:What if its someone who has just drowned and you decide not to resuscitate?
Murdering Tuvix to bring a pair of dead guys back is more like(closest RL example I could come up with) killing someone, and taking their Kidneys to possibly save two other people
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you know what? to sum it all up: Who gives a crap anyway?
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Who gives a crap about the amount of scre-ups Janeway's ever made? We can still discuss it.
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That sums up about 90% of all our discussions.you know what? to sum it all up: Who gives a crap anyway
Re: Tuvix: Any way to have saved him, AND Tuvok and Neelix
I have a question...
Tuvix was a merge of Tuvok, Nelix, and that flower that they collected. When the crew separated Tuvix, what happened to the flower?
Tuvix was a merge of Tuvok, Nelix, and that flower that they collected. When the crew separated Tuvix, what happened to the flower?
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Ah, well, that disapeared because of....you know, quantum.
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Exactly so. I've used an example like this before in classes when talking about ethics. If you cut one healthy man up you could get a heart, two lungs, two kidneys, a liver... you could save six lives just with that. So if "kill one to save two" is good morality, why aren't government run transplant factories kidnapping people off the street right now?ChakatBlackstar wrote:How is that related to this discusion? Your example has the chance of saving one life without killing or even risking the life of someone else. Tuvok and Neelix were considered already dead.kostmayer wrote:What if its someone who has just drowned and you decide not to resuscitate?
Murdering Tuvix to bring a pair of dead guys back is more like(closest RL example I could come up with) killing someone, and taking their Kidneys to possibly save two other people
What Janeway did was criminal, and the crew were criminals to go along with it. Only the EMH showed any backbone at all.
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OVEG of course.Rochey wrote:Ah, well, that disapeared because of....you know, quantum.
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Yup.
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So Neelix and Tuvok have a little bit of flower in them.
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See, and I always figured that Neelix had a little fruit in him.
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