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Continuity murder, bad ship design, and more continuity murder? (we are big on continuity around here)

Yeah, that's pretty much what I see wrong with ENT. Oh, and don't forget the murder of continuity.

Jordanis wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

Rochey wrote: I'll take your word on that.

Sure. *Sits back and watches Enterprise, enjoying it and honestly wondering what everyone else is seeing wrong with it*

Continuity murder, bad ship design, and more continuity murder? (we are big on continuity around here)

No ST series was perfect with continuity and ENT is not that bad. It treads on fanon, mostly.

Bad ship design? *Sigh* The NX is probably the most logical design for an early Starfleet ship. It's a saucer with nacelles stuck to the side.

We've already been over this. Several times.
The Akiraprise is not a logical step in the design chronology of Starfleet's ships. It's a 24th century ship turned upside-down, with all the curves and sleekness of a 24th century ship, which it should have none of. The sleekness and pylon-based nacelles are due to warp mechanics, to make that type of ship go faster at high speeds. But Starfleet shouldn't have known that, so it shouldn't have those curves and pylons. And then there's the fact that, if Starfleet did know about warp mechanics back then, they decided to toss them out the window during the TOS era, which just makes no sense at all.
It should look big, bulky, blocky, and crude. Like a more primitive version of TOS ships.

The insides of the ship were very logical and followed the flow of ship design though. I really liked the cramped conditions onboard.

Indeed, the insides were pretty well done. Except for the bits of metal jutting out from the walls for no apparent reason.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:The NX is probably the most logical design for an early Starfleet ship. It's a saucer with nacelles stuck to the side.

It's not a bad design on its own - it just doesn't make any sense for WHEN it is supposed to be.

Rochey wrote:We've already been over this. Several times.
The Akiraprise is not a logical step in the design chronology of Starfleet's ships. It's a 24th century ship turned upside-down, with all the curves and sleekness of a 24th century ship, which it should have none of. The sleekness and pylon-based nacelles are due to warp mechanics, to make that type of ship go faster at high speeds. But Starfleet shouldn't have known that, so it shouldn't have those curves and pylons. And then there's the fact that, if Starfleet did know about warp mechanics back then, they decided to toss them out the window during the TOS era, which just makes no sense at all.
It should look big, bulky, blocky, and crude. Like a more primitive version of TOS ships.

You've been over it. I don't see it. I will never see it. It's the simplest design you could get and still have it be Starfleet!

Rochey wrote:Indeed, the insides were pretty well done. Except for the bits of metal jutting out from the walls for no apparent reason.

You mean the bars in the corridors? We saw the reason for them when Mayweather was on his family's freighter. They used to be necessary for bracing oneself for acceleration. It was probably a holdover from before they realized how good the new inertial dampeners would be on the NX-class.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:You've been over it. I don't see it. I will never see it. It's the simplest design you could get and still have it be Starfleet!

The problem we have with the NC-class is that it should be the starting point of what is otherwise a continuously-evolving chain of starship dsign philosophy. It ain't.

Mikey wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:You've been over it. I don't see it. I will never see it. It's the simplest design you could get and still have it be Starfleet!

The problem we have with the NC-class is that it should be the starting point of what is otherwise a continuously-evolving chain of starship dsign philosophy. It ain't.

But... the aft 'bits' grow, eventually becoming the secondary hull of the Connie. The SF ships get bigger as the years go on, but they keep the saucer and nacelles bits from the NX-class.

I've been discussing this idea since before the forum came online, via e-mail with GK, etc. Yes, I CAN theorize a succession from NX-class to more modern designs. The point is that the show shouldn't force me to - it should be apparent and common-sense.

Mikey wrote:I've been discussing this idea since before the forum came online, via e-mail with GK, etc. Yes, I CAN theorize a succession from NX-class to more modern designs. The point is that the show shouldn't force me to - it should be apparent and common-sense.

It's apparent and logical. It's a saucer and nacelles. The struts grow into the secondary hull.

It's apparent and logical. It's a saucer and nacelles. The struts grow into the secondary hull.

But the fact that technological advancement - materials technology, miniaturization, automation, etc. - advances with time SHOULD indicate a progression away from a secondary hull, rather than towards one.

Mikey wrote:

It's apparent and logical. It's a saucer and nacelles. The struts grow into the secondary hull.

But the fact that technological advancement - materials technology, miniaturization, automation, etc. - advances with time SHOULD indicate a progression away from a secondary hull, rather than towards one.

Wouldn't the warp core have to get bigger? And what about room for weapons, crew, sensors? Not to mention raw materials and replacement parts and stuff.

Bigger than the first ever warp 5 engine? I doubt it.