What have ships done without warp cores?

[Mikey]

In the more recent eras, however, we've seen ships sustaining fire for a relatively long time without warp core-generated power. This suggests that the impulse engines (the most likely suspect) are in more advanced ships able to sustain phaser fire.

[sunnyside]

In the more recent eras, however, we've seen ships sustaining fire for a relatively long time without warp core-generated power. This suggests that the impulse engines (the most likely suspect) are in more advanced ships able to sustain phaser fire.

Have we? In insurrection I just remember one volly near the end. Not an extended back and forth. If anyone remembers specifics (or has the movie ) that would be interesting to know.

Though it's also possible they increased the capacity of the electro plasma capacitors dedicated to the weapons.

[Mikey]

er... Nemesis?

[sunnyside]

er... Nemesis?

I actually haven't seen that. Heard it was crap and just never had a good oportunity anyway.

SO i just read an abridged version.

What happens in it without a warp core?

*buggers off onto the net and reads the script, skipping to the battle*

Sounds like in the opening shots the warp drive got taken offline. Not the core. I don't know that the core can even go offline from weapons fire without being a serious issue they would need to address.

[Sionnach Glic]

I actually haven't seen that. Heard it was crap and just never had a good oportunity anyway.

Save yourself two hours of your life, and avoid it like the plague.

[Captain Seafort]

I actually haven't seen that.

Lucky you.

Sounds like in the opening shots the warp drive got taken offline. Not the core. I don't know that the core can even go offline from weapons fire without being a serious issue they would need to address.

The battle

See 2:14 to 2:22 for the disabling of the warp core. The disappearence of the moving lights in the magnetic constrictors, and the drop in pitch near the end of the shot suggests that the core itself was disabled, rather than some other component of the drive.

[Captain Seafort]

Save yourself two hours of your life, and avoid it like the plague.

The battle's actually pretty good, albeit for the starship porn rather than sound tactics on anyone's part.

[Duskofdead]

:O Rochey, Seafort, have you two been replaced by pod people? Nemesis was virtually the any movie to actually show any in-depth use of tactics; however much we might criticize decisions made, most movies and most of the TV shows didn't even approach that level of detail. I'm sincerely surprised that you two think the movie is so bad you consider it a waste of two hours of someone's life.

Personally I didn't care for the whole B-4 plotline, and wish it had been left out entirely. I also wish the movie storyline had actually involved the ROMULANS more than some race we'd never seen nor heard of before. But aside from that I enjoyed it a good deal more than Insurrection. And the only memorable thing about Generations was the crash scene.

[sunnyside]

See 2:14 to 2:22 for the disabling of the warp core. The disappearence of the moving lights in the magnetic constrictors, and the drop in pitch near the end of the shot suggests that the core itself was disabled, rather than some other component of the drive.

Wow. Sounds like I just saw everything worth seeing in the movie. Thanks.

Anyway I can see what you're saying. And honestly if I wanted to agree with that I could see it.

However I'd like to point out that the lights don't stop they just get erratic. It's distinctly possible that some disruption to the system has messed up the ability to feed the core properly. It seems reasonable this could cause the core to be unable to generate the high energy high quality warp plasma needed to go to warp, but not inhibit its ability to generate basic electroplasma.

That actually would explain a lot. Often initial hits like that cause warp drive capability to go ofline without obviously damaging anything (when I made the ship fight simulator rules on this board I even added a rule to model that). It makes sense that with some blown panels/EPS type system damage that proper flow for warp could not be maintained, but could still easily be repaired by the end of the episode and not affect anything else.

[Duskofdead]

See 2:14 to 2:22 for the disabling of the warp core. The disappearence of the moving lights in the magnetic constrictors, and the drop in pitch near the end of the shot suggests that the core itself was disabled, rather than some other component of the drive.

Wow. Sounds like I just saw everything worth seeing in the movie. Thanks.

Anyway I can see what you're saying. And honestly if I wanted to agree with that I could see it.

However I'd like to point out that the lights don't stop they just get erratic. It's distinctly possible that some disruption to the system has messed up the ability to feed the core properly. It seems reasonable this could cause the core to be unable to generate the high energy high quality warp plasma needed to go to warp, but not inhibit its ability to generate basic electroplasma.

That actually would explain a lot. Often initial hits like that cause warp drive capability to go ofline without obviously damaging anything (when I made the ship fight simulator rules on this board I even added a rule to model that). It makes sense that with some blown panels/EPS type system damage that proper flow for warp could not be maintained, but could still easily be repaired by the end of the episode and not affect anything else.

I actually agree with you Sunny that there is no way to know for sure if the warp core itself and all M/AM power generation was offline. It was left vague. There was, until the very end of the battle, no mention of switching to auxiliary power or emergency power or any such, so it is questionable if warp power altogether had been shut down or not. Certainly warp drive and the ability to maintain a warp field have been damaged or disrupted on many occasions without necessarily meaning the warp core itself had been forced to shut down.

[sunnyside]

Certainly warp drive and the ability to maintain a warp field have been damaged or disrupted on many occasions without necessarily meaning the warp core itself had been forced to shut down.

And again this type of warp capability disruption is often seen when shields are still up and the only ship damage we see is some panels going off. As in this case too.

Makes sense to me that when you pop a few engineering panels and conduits you have to run the core on "low" for a while until everything is back in order.

[Captain Seafort]

The core itself was definately suffering damage, from the explosions we saw along it's length. How severe that damage was is the question, but I interpreted the intermittent surges, along with the explosions, as the core spluttering before failure.

There's also Geodi's statement that "we only have impulse", but dialogue WRT impulse, and whether they're talking about it as propulsion or power is notoriously imprecise.

[Sionnach Glic]

Rochey, Seafort, have you two been replaced by pod people? Nemesis was virtually the any movie to actually show any in-depth use of tactics; however much we might criticize decisions made, most movies and most of the TV shows didn't even approach that level of detail. I'm sincerely surprised that you two think the movie is so bad you consider it a waste of two hours of someone's life.

Personally I didn't care for the whole B-4 plotline, and wish it had been left out entirely. I also wish the movie storyline had actually involved the ROMULANS more than some race we'd never seen nor heard of before. But aside from that I enjoyed it a good deal more than Insurrection. And the only memorable thing about Generations was the crash scene.

Every single minute of it sucked. It had more hole than swiss cheese, and the plot holes were big enough to fly a Death Star through. The entire thing made no sense, the villain was so incompetant it was ridiculous, and the fight scene was bland.
So, yeah, I do consider it to be a complete waste of time. I watched it once in the cinemas, and then watched it again a few years afterwards (I had assumed that I must be remembering it wrong, as it surely couldn't have been that bad. I was wrong in thinking that.), after which I wrote this deconstruction of the entire film, pointing out all the stupidity.

[Duskofdead]

Wow...

[Sionnach Glic]

"Wow" what?