Yet more Traviss BS

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:36 am

Rochey wrote:
What's SFJ, if I may ask?
A site called "Starfleet Jedi".
It is a black hole of pure stupid.

Thanks. I will... take your word for it. Although Worf with a lightsaber sounds cool to me.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:42 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Thanks. I will... take your word for it. Although Worf with a lightsaber sounds cool to me.

You should look up the Unity saga. Data with a lightsaber was awesome.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:53 am

Tsukiyumi wrote:
You should look up the Unity saga. Data with a lightsaber was awesome.

Hmm, IIRC, I have that bookmarked. Will have to re-continue it.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:21 pm

It really doesn't sound like she's that terrible of an author judging from her reviews. She's just got this number problem and this Mando problem.

Her first book, which featured none of the insanity or fanwank that typifies her later works, was actualy fairly decent. I actualy thought at that point she had the capability to become one of the better EU authors.
Then someone pointed out that her 3 million clones to fight a galaxy-wide war bit made no sense, and all this crap sprung up. The fact that her later novels are pretty much devoted purely to how uber the Mandalorians are and how evil the Jedi are (she even wrote that the Council was involved to keep the Clone Wars going on for longer) tends to destroy any shred of good writing she has.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:24 pm

It makes perfect sense. If three million mere humans can hold the western front against the Germans, barely, in WWI surely three million clones can win a conflict expanding millions of systems.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:46 pm

The fact that her later novels are pretty much devoted purely to how uber the Mandalorians are and how evil the Jedi are (she even wrote that the Council was involved to keep the Clone Wars going on for longer)

This sort of mentality right here sums up my bad experiences with Star Wars fans. It's like, get out a Nazi flag and stroke yourself in it already, drop the pretense.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:52 pm

Eh? That's not the fans doing. Aside from a handful of fanboys, no one likes what she's doing.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:53 pm

Rochey wrote:Eh? That's not the fans doing. Aside from a handful of fanboys, no one likes what she's doing.

I shoudl really try to look up that site I was briefly a member on. The whole place was Empire worship.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:55 pm

Was the site you're talking about in the line of "The Empire was cooler and more competant than the NR", or what? From the EU stuff, the Empire quite simply was more competant than the NR. And I don't think there's any dispute on the cool factor.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:58 pm

Rochey wrote:Was the site you're talking about in the line of "The Empire was cooler and more competant than the NR", or what? From the EU stuff, the Empire quite simply was more competant than the NR. And I don't think there's any dispute on the cool factor.

Well you might very well fit in with them, except their attitudes seemed to apply to real life politics as well. That was the part I couldn't stand.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:00 am

Agreed. The Empire is hardly a model government.
It's just cooler.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:12 am

Empire was cooler. And they weren't that bad as portrayed in the books. One of the reasons I want to make that Inquisitor book. Where are all these attrocities? I remember a biologically engineered bug that ate a planet, a few super weapons, but really there haven't been anything up close and personal in books. The Yuuzhan Vong have done far worse.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:23 am

Monroe wrote:Empire was cooler. And they weren't that bad as portrayed in the books. One of the reasons I want to make that Inquisitor book. Where are all these attrocities? I remember a biologically engineered bug that ate a planet, a few super weapons, but really there haven't been anything up close and personal in books. The Yuuzhan Vong have done far worse.

Torture is an atrocity and the Empire seems to use it without batting an eye, at least in the movies.

Oh, oops, and blowing up planets as demonstrations.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:26 am

I disagree that Alderaan was an attrocity. That's like saying Hiroshima was. It should be avoided but in the nessessities of war it happens.

But you've got a point with the torture. Still though, its not seen -that- often. There should be a book that goes into the darker side of the Empire. And I'm not meaning the Dark Side of the force :p

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Sun May 11, 2008 12:33 am

Monroe wrote:I disagree that Alderaan was an attrocity. That's like saying Hiroshima was. It should be avoided but in the nessessities of war it happens.

But you've got a point with the torture. Still though, its not seen -that- often. There should be a book that goes into the darker side of the Empire. And I'm not meaning the Dark Side of the force :p

That's the problem. Blowing up Alderaan was not a necessity. It's not like they had their own superweapon pointed back at the Empire. If we get that loose with what excuses mass destruction of civilians then really, the idea any atrocity can even exist at all gets slippery. We can justify anything as a "necessity of war."

And Hiroshima WAS an atrocity, almost by definition. Whether or not it was necessary for the overall course of the war is a debate people still have to this day but whether it was or wasn't a "smart strategic move", it was still an atrocity.