Station Mass

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:43 pm

Think I've emailed in about this before. The mass for the Dysons Sphere and the big liquid world thingy out of Voyager are a little light.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:22 pm

Do we know how thick the Dyson Sphere was? Otherwise I don't think there's a way to find out other than guessing.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:53 pm

It should be calculable from the images of the Enterprise entering the sphere - I'd take about 1/2 km to a km as a rough guess. The real problem is figuring the density of "carbon neutronium". Given that phasers would be "ineffective" against it it's probably somewhere in the region of uranium, but that's only a wild guess.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:26 pm

IIRC neutronium is one of the densest things you can get. I have no idea what 'carbon' neutronium is, probably dosen't exist.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:52 pm

Rochey wrote:IIRC neutronium is one of the densest things you can get. I have no idea what 'carbon' neutronium is, probably dosen't exist.

Neutronium is basically densly packed neutrons - a spoonful of the stuff weighs about a ton IIRC. However, we saw that the Jenolan gouged a trench in the surface of the sphere, so "carbon neutronium" can't be real neutronium. The guess that it's denser than uranium is based on the fact that starship hulls can be pierced by phasers and are "duranium", which is probably a new name for depleted uranium.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:03 pm

Neutronium is basically densly packed neutrons - a spoonful of the stuff weighs about a ton IIRC.

So, pretty dense, yeah?

IIRC you get neutronium from stars, correct?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 6:14 pm

Rochey wrote:
Neutronium is basically densly packed neutrons - a spoonful of the stuff weighs about a ton IIRC.
So, pretty dense, yeah?

IIRC you get neutronium from stars, correct?

Yup - neutron stars. Really imaginitive name, huh?

EDIT:
Neutron star
Neutronium

From wiki.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:17 pm

It would say a lot about the technology available to any race which could get this stuff.

Post by **Graham Kennedy** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:10 pm

This is a holdover from the days when the site was html based... the mass was something like 10^26 tons... but the power of ten thing was lost when we converted to a database format. It should be an easy fix.

The mass I calculated used the surface area of the sphere multiplied by an estimated thickness which was based on looking at the airlock thickness. I took 'carbon neutronium' to have the same density as diamond... the idea was that c-n is a substance with the strength of neutronium but the density of carbon. Pure speculation on my part, but if you take that sphere to have neutronium density then the mass it would yield would be rather spectacular

N'tran DS 12 · Post by **N'tran DS 12** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:42 pm

My thought was the carbon in the carbon -neutronium is in the form of bucky-balls,
with a neutronium center.
Free neutrons, or neutronuim will decay {with a half-life of about 17 minutes} into a proton, an electron and an anti-neutrino.

Might be wrong about the half-life,

N'tran