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Hey, so I see that the USS Vengeance, seen in Into Darkness, is supposed to be twice the size of the "new" USS Enterprise, and three times the speed, with advanced weaponry. I wonder if she is three times the strength as well.

With that in mind, here are the specs my friend Graham and his friends have put for the new Enterprise:

Affiliation : Temporal Ships
Class Name : Constitution Class
Type : Explorer
Unit Run :
NCC 1701 USS Enterprise - Active
The class remains in production.
Commissioned : 2258 - present
Dimensions : Length : 762 m
Beam : 335 m
Height : 190 m
Decks : 54
Mass : 495,000 metric tons
Crew : 1,100
Armament : 12 x phaser banks, total output 5,000 TeraWatts
2 x Type 4 Photon torpedo tube
Defence Systems : Standard shield system, total capacity 2,010 TeraJoules
Standard Monotanium Double hull.
Standard level Structural Integrity Field
Warp Speeds
(TOS scale) : Normal Cruise : 6
Maximum Cruise : 8
Strength Indices :
(Galaxy class = 1,000) Beam Firepower : 100
Torpedo Firepower : 200
Weapon Range and Accuracy : -
Shield Strength : 0.74
Hull Armour : 10
Speed : -
Combat Manoeuvrability : 1,200
Overall Strength Index : 93


Is anyone willing to help do the specs to reflect the Vengeance?

0.74, on a scale of 1000? Yowza!

Shields need to be higher. The combat maneuverability needs to be lower. TThe tonnage should be higher.

Tonnage should be on the order of 8 million tons - the neo-E is over twice the length, and therefore around eight times the volume and mass, of the E-nil.

Personally I'd be tempted to use the neo-E as a baseline for the Abramsverse, as Graham used the GCS as a baseline for the Geneverse, and go from there. We don't have the overlap needed to derive relative strengths.

Yead, the new universe is so different you need a new base line, the only way to compare the universes is the Neo V the Nevara, then compare the Neo to other ships.

But as for this rating, Maneuverability down to around 400 I'd say Shield.... well, its big, which means a large shield, but its also seems to have a huge core. This universe seems to use the older bubble shield and not form fitting ones... so its hard to judge.

I agree that and it harder to show a difference between two ships when the numbers are smaller. Especially proportional.

The ship is a battleship and should reflect that.

I imagin the only number that would be considerably higher is armor.

Jim wrote:0.74, on a scale of 1000? Yowza!

Right? O_O O_O

Captain Seafort wrote:Tonnage should be on the order of 8 million tons - the neo-E is over twice the length, and therefore around eight times the volume and mass, of the E-nil.

Personally I'd be tempted to use the neo-E as a baseline for the Abramsverse, as Graham used the GCS as a baseline for the Geneverse, and go from there. We don't have the overlap needed to derive relative strengths.

Agreed. However, we DO at least have an idea as to the speed of the Vengeance.....if only a somewhat vague impression. Khan IS quoted in the movie as saying that the Vengeance is "twice the size, three times the speed" of the Enterprise.

So, if we were to assume that Graham's estimate of the max cruising speed of the Enterprise is Warp 8, then we can derive this equation:

Warp 8 = 512 x c

512 x 3 (three times the speed) = 1,536 x c

Vengeance max cruising speed = 1,536 x c, aka Warp 11.538 (TOS old scale of course).

A few points on speed.

Three times the speed, is most likely refereing to maximum sustained Warp as that is the most relivant point when traveling from A to B.

Three times as fast... is a lot. But Khan doesnt strike me as a person to exageragte just to make a point, so I think it must be between, say, 2.8 and 3.2 times as fast.

And from what we see on screen, the Ent runs away from it, and the Vengance closes the gap very fast, although it doesnt seem to be 3 times as fast, but that could be put down to the damage.

We are assuming of course that Neo-E has a similar speed as the E-nil of Primeverse.

Then again Warp 11 is within a realm of possibility as its still slower than TNG speeds.

Um, shouldn't the Vengeance be a class of its own? Not sure how you got "Constitution."

Neo-E is Constitution Class.


The Vengeance is something entirely new and different. At least that was my impression, I mean they certainly look nothing alike.

The class is usually named after the first ship. So.ot really is the Vengance class.

LaughingCheese wrote:Um, shouldn't the Vengeance be a class of its own? Not sure how you got "Constitution."

Neo-E is Constitution Class.


The Vengeance is something entirely new and different. At least that was my impression, I mean they certainly look nothing alike.

The specs above appear to be of the Neo-E.

So anyway, the Vengeance is the first of its class.

Come to think of it, similar premise to Nemesis. Massive super secret uber warship appears out of no where.