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Mark wrote:USE CARE IN YOUR WORDING CARBON, AND DO NOT GET ABOVE YOURSELF. AN ATTEMPT ON THE LIFE OF THE EMPEROR WAS MADE. THE EMPEROR "IS" THE THOLIAN GOVERNMENT, SO YOU MUST BE SUGGESTING HE ATTEMPTED SUICIDE. THE SOLE SURVIVOR OF THIS ILL FATED ATTEMPT AT PEACE IS A SINGLE GORN ENGINEER, WHO IS BEING DEBRIEFED WHILE ALL ARE FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE. SHOULD HE REGAIN CONSIOUSNESS, HE WILL NAME THE ASSAILANTS AND THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT.

AND WE ARE CERTAINLY INTERESTED IN THESE MANY NEWS ARTICLES. WE HEARD OF AN UNSUBTANTIATED STATEMENT FROM AN ANONYMOUS JACORN SOURCE...NOT THE OFFICIAL JACORN GOVERNMENT.

UNTIL THIS CRISIS IS RESOLVED, "ANY" SHIP DETECTED WITHING THOLIAN SPACE WILL BE DETAINED AND ITS GOVERNMENT HELD RESPONSIBLE, REGARDLESS IF ONE SUDDENLY CHOOSES TO IGNORE OUR SOVERIGNITY OR NOT.
Setting aside this issue for the moment is it fair to say that the Tholian's reject the offer of the major powers in the region for mediation in regards to the dispute with the Yrridians and Jacorn?
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THE MINISTRY OF THE INTERIOR HAS AUTHORIZED THE RELEASE OF THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT. EMPEROR LOKNAR LIVES. HIS DELEGATION DEPARTED TO OPEN TALKS WITH THE YRRIDIANS, WHICH INCLUDED SEVERAL OF HIS HIGH RANKING MINISTERS.

SECOND, TO THE KLINGONS. YOU LABOR UNDER A FALSE ASSUMPTION. WE DO NOT CARE WHAT YOUR EMPIRE HAS DECLARED IN RELATION TO THOLIAN SPACE. IF YOUR SHIPS ARE FOUND IN THOLIAN SPACE, THEY WILL BE DESTROYED. IF THEY ARE NOT FOUND IN THOLIAN SPACE, THEY CAN EXPECT A GREETING HAIL AND A SAFE JOURNEY. I ASSURE YOU OUR INTERNAL DEFENSES ARE QUITE A BIT MORE SIGNIFICANT THAT A MINOR ATTACK FORCE. BEAR IN MIND THAT THOLIA STILL WAS ABLE TO FIELD A SIGNIFICANT MILITARY FORCE AND THAT THE JACORN HAD TO PURCHASE SHIPS FROM THE FEDERATION TO CONTINUE THEIR EFFORT. ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SURE YOU WANT TO INVADE OUR SPACE?

AS FOR YOUR ABSURD ALLEGATION OF THOLIAN FORCES ATTEMPTING TO ASSASSINATE THE EMPEROR, TELL ME SOMETHING. IF KLINGON FORCES RECIEVED A DISTRESS CALL FROM A THOLIAN SHIP....WHY DID YOUR FORCES NOT RESPOND? HAVE YOU NO HONOR AT ALL? A SHIP IN DISTRESS AND KLINGONS DO NOTHING, EXCEPT SLYLY IMPLY THEY "HEARD" THAT A THOLIAN SHIP WAS BEING ATTACKED BY THOLIAN FORCES? YOU'LL EXCUSE US IF WE PATENTLY IGNORE THIS STATEMENT UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE TO SHOW SOME PROOF.

NOW, AS FOR THE FEDERATION QUESTION. WE HEAR OF WMDS IN THE POSSESSION OF THE YRRIDIANS TO BE USED AGAINST THOLIAN WORLDS, THEN WE OBTAIN PROOF FROM THEIR OWN COMPUTERS. WE NOW MOVE IN, AND ARE BLOCKED BY THE JACORN. A FACILITY SELF DESTRUCTS ON A WORLD WHERE THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING OF THE SORT. THEN, INSTEAD OF SENDING IN OUR REMAINING FORCES, OR RAZING THESE WORLDS FROM SPACE, WE OFFER TO DISCUSS PEACE, WITH AN ALLY OF THE JACORN OFFERING TO MEDIATE, AND ANOTHER ATTEMPTING TO ANNEX OUR SPACE. THEN, AS WE ATTEMPT TO BEGIN OUR OWN PEACE TALKS WITHOUT ALLIANCE INVOLVEMENT, OUR AMBASSADORIAL SHIP IS DESTROYED WITH AN ATTEMPT ON THE LIFE OF THE EMPEROR, AND THE VERY SAME ALLIANCE SAYS IT PICKED UP A DISTRESS CALL FROM SAID SHIP UNDER ATTACK, AND BLAMES OUR OWN FORCES FOR THE ATTACK.

IT TRULY BOGGLES THE MIND HOW THIS IS PANNING OUT. BUT, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY COME TO EXPECT THIS FROM CARBONS.
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Mark wrote:AS FOR YOUR ABSURD ALLEGATION OF THOLIAN FORCES ATTEMPTING TO ASSASSINATE THE EMPEROR, TELL ME SOMETHING. IF KLINGON FORCES RECIEVED A DISTRESS CALL FROM A THOLIAN SHIP....WHY DID YOUR FORCES NOT RESPOND? HAVE YOU NO HONOR AT ALL? A SHIP IN DISTRESS AND KLINGONS DO NOTHING, EXCEPT SLYLY IMPLY THEY "HEARD" THAT A THOLIAN SHIP WAS BEING ATTACKED BY THOLIAN FORCES? YOU'LL EXCUSE US IF WE PATENTLY IGNORE THIS STATEMENT UNLESS YOU ARE ABLE TO SHOW SOME PROOF.
By your own admission, a Klingon ship would have been eliminated if it had crossed the border. Frankly, I do not trust a passing Tholian vessel to believe our explanation. Honour is not governed by blind idiocy, honour is governed by sensibility.

As for the earlier statement, I don't care what defenses you have. And I certainly don't care what you think. If you fire upon one of our vessels, civilian or military, then there will be war. We have been choked by idiot leadership for years, but no longer. And not for some time.

Enough. You have been warned. You no longer have a choice. What "proof" do you speak of? We have seen none. You don't get to make your offers, you don't get to make demands. In case you had not noticed, you lost your petty war. If you choose to disbelieve our distress signal, fine. Feel free, I care not. I operate on the facts presented before me: That the distress signal from your Emperor's ship claimed Tholian assailants.
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FIRST, IF SAID SIGNAL EXISTED, THEN FORWARD IT TO OUR GOVERNMENT FOR VERIFICATION.

SECOND, TO BE SURE WE UNDERSTAND, THE KLINGON EMPIRE IS DECLARING WAR AGAINST THE THOLIAN EMPIRE BY ATTEMPTING TO ANNEX SOVERIGN THOLIAN SPACE. HAVE I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS?
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We have made no annex. We have made a dispute. Read a dictionary. And I thought we had gained a reputation for uncivilized savages?
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As for the message, this is a quotation of the annual report given to the Chancellor:

"Additionally the Emperor’s Shuttle appears to have been attacked. It occurred in an area just
beyond our sensor sensitivity; however we did receive a distress signal stating that the attacking
ships were Tholian."
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YOU ARE DISPUTING A PREVIOUSLY RECOGNIZED CLAIM TO THOLIAN SPACE, THUS ATTEMPTING TO SAY IT DOES NOT BELONG TO THE THOLIAN GOVERNMENT, IN ORDER TO CLAIM IT FOR YOUR OWN.

PERHAPS OUR UNIVERSAL TRANSLATERS ARE MALFUNCTIONING. EXPLAIN THE DIFFERNCE.
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Dispute = Negate your own claim. That does not equal claiming it for ourself. If we were claiming it, we would have put a fleet there. Have we as yet?
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AND HOW OLD IS THIS CLAIM THAT WE MADE?
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NOW, AS FOR THE FEDERATION QUESTION. WE HEAR OF WMDS IN THE POSSESSION OF THE YRRIDIANS TO BE USED AGAINST THOLIAN WORLDS, THEN WE OBTAIN PROOF FROM THEIR OWN COMPUTERS. WE NOW MOVE IN, AND ARE BLOCKED BY THE JACORN. A FACILITY SELF DESTRUCTS ON A WORLD WHERE THERE SHOULD BE NOTHING OF THE SORT. THEN, INSTEAD OF SENDING IN OUR REMAINING FORCES, OR RAZING THESE WORLDS FROM SPACE, WE OFFER TO DISCUSS PEACE, WITH AN ALLY OF THE JACORN OFFERING TO MEDIATE, AND ANOTHER ATTEMPTING TO ANNEX OUR SPACE. THEN, AS WE ATTEMPT TO BEGIN OUR OWN PEACE TALKS WITHOUT ALLIANCE INVOLVEMENT, OUR AMBASSADORIAL SHIP IS DESTROYED WITH AN ATTEMPT ON THE LIFE OF THE EMPEROR, AND THE VERY SAME ALLIANCE SAYS IT PICKED UP A DISTRESS CALL FROM SAID SHIP UNDER ATTACK, AND BLAMES OUR OWN FORCES FOR THE ATTACK.
You appear to be operating under several false pretenses here.

1. The mediation offer comes from the Romulan, Federation, and Klingon governments with technical support from the Cardassian government not from the "Alliance" as you put it or from the Federation alone. You are free to assess our relations with the Romulan and Cardassian governments but we suggest you would struggle to find anyone who would describe them as warm, let alone as allied. If you reject that offer you reject it from all 4 governments not the Federation alone and not any "Alliance" that you have fabricated in your mind.

2. The Klingon Empire, to the best of our knowledge, has not attempted to annex any Tholian space. They have disputed your claims on space but have not stated that it is Klingon space, only that they do not recognize Tholian claims on it. This is a two party issue and a regular occurance among powers in regards to space for colonization and transit. It seems to have little place in this discussion but to say that the Klingon Empire is attempting to annex your space would be incorrect, unless you are privy to facts unknown to the larger community.

3. While all deplore the attack on your Emperor the situation surrounding those events is at best clouded. First, the Emperor had not obtained the permission of the Yrridians to land on their worlds, nor had the Yrridians, to the best of our knowledge, agreed to any talks. Thus it is unclear exactly whom the Emperor was going to talk to in the first place. Second the Emperor announced his transit AND the fact that he would be poorly escorted near a recently active warzone publicly before his transit. With the war still active Tholian warships of any type are a legitimate military target, particularly when the delegation it was carrying was neither welcomed nor accredited by the Yrridian government.

4. The logical tying of the Jacorn to WMD continues to fall flat. They could simply have been exercising a humanitarian desire to protect a nearby power from what they saw as an unjust conquest. They could be engaged in a real-politik exercise designed to contest the expansion of the Tholian Empire which they might view as a threat to their security. There are any number of reasons why the Jacorn may have acted as they did in this incident. Tying their invovlement to a WMD (of which the existance has not been proven and even as described in its unproven form may or may not have been a WMD in the first place) is a massive leap of logic that needs to be supported by some shread of evidence, which thus far the Tholian government has not even attempted to produce.

Given the relative lack of evidence in support of Tholian statements regarding this conflict you would have to forgive other powers for being suspicious as to exactly what happened here.
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1. WE WILL NOT ACCEPT MEDIATION FROM ANY POWER ASSOCIATED WITH ANY ALLY OF THE YRRIDIANS OR THE JACORN, AND PREDICT THEY WILL FEEL THE SAME ABOUT US. WE BELIEVE THIS LEAVES THE ROMULAN STAR EMPIRE AND THE FERENGI AS THE ONLY POWERS NEUTREL ENOUGH TO BE TRUSTED BY EITHER POWER.

2. PERHAPS WE OVERREACTED, IF IT IS SIMPLY DISPUTING PREVIOUSLY CLAIMED SPACE. THAT BEING THE CASE, PERHAPS THAT WE SHOULD DISPUTE THE SPACE AROUND THE KLINGON HOMEWORLD, AND CEASE TO RECOGNISE A KLINGON CLAIM THERE. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME THE KLINGON EMPIRE ATTEMPTED TO DISPUTE AN AREA ALREADY COLINIZED BY THE THOLIAN EMPIRE. SHOULD THE KLINGONS WISH TO DISPUTE A RECENTLY CLAIMED SECTION OF SPACE FINE. HOWEVER, SHOULD THEY DISPUTE A REGION OF SPACE ALREADY CLAIMED YEARS PRIOR AND UNDER COLINIZATION, THEN WE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM, AND THERE WILL BE A WAR.

3. WE COULD HAVE SENT A FULL ESCORT FLEET, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSTRUED AS AN INVASION. HE COULD HAVE GONE UNDER CLOAK, IN SECRET, WHICH WOULD DEFEAT THE GESTURE, OR, HE COULD SHOW A MEASURE OF TRUST IN AN ATTEMPT TO MEET WITH THE YRRIDIAN PEOPLE. WE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT "YOUR" TRUST. IT WAS "OUR" SHIP DESTROYED INSIDE "OUR" SPACE. WHEN OUR VALIANT SURVIVOR TELLS US WHAT HAPPENED, WE PROMISE THAT THERE WILL BE A RETALIATION. IF SAID OFFENDER WISHES TO STEP FORWARD AND EXPLAIN THERE ACTIONS NOW, A MILITARY REPRISAL MAY BE AVOIDED.

4. AGAIN, THE ARROGANCE OF THE FEDERATION NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE US. WE OWE NO EXPLINATIONS, AND CERTAINLY HAVE NO NEED TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING. YOUR GOVERNMENT CONTINUES ATTEMPT TO PICK HOLES IN A SITUATION IT IS NOT INVOLVED IN. WE HAVE PRESENTED THE FACTS AND DRAWN "OUR" CONCLUSIONS. YOU CAN CERTAINLY DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS, BUT YOURS SEEM TO BE BASED ON A POLITICAL ADJENDA MORE THAN ANYTHING.
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Would you care to englighten us as to what our political agenda is?
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To be fair to the Klingons, it sounded as if they were simply disputing the most recent claims of scape, not any that have been founded for years.

On the matter of the "Tholian" ship which attacked, are any ships missing? perhaps one was stolen. Or perhaps this was a civilian vessel (does such a thing even exist in Tholian culture?). Or perhaps it was on of the many ships given out by the Tholian Empire, which may have been purchased by pirates after the initial sale.

Unfortunately, there are many possibilities that this could be a Tholian vessel.

However, there is a possibility against that. It is possible that it was another warship using a holographic covering and sensor manipulation. In which case, this could be done by whomever may have been allies with the Yrridians in the supposed WMD matter.
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The Tholiam Empire has no claims in that "Corridor" as it is uninhabitable. Other systems on either side are of no consequence to us.
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