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Alright here's the comments thread for the next battle.

I've been thinking about how to handle the Prometheus' MVAM. I've decided we're going to treat it like a cloak. On the turn you want to activate it, you cannot do anything else, and you must get a 7 on a 2D6+3. After it's separated, then we're just going to treat it like three ships.
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Lt. Staplic wrote:Alright here's the comments thread for the next battle.

I've been thinking about how to handle the Prometheus' MVAM. I've decided we're going to treat it like a cloak. On the turn you want to activate it, you cannot do anything else, and you must get a 7 on a 2D6+3. After it's separated, then we're just going to treat it like three ships.
I assume we're operating as if the Norexean doesn't have the ability to fire when cloaked like the Scimitar?
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Nope, we have no evidence to indicate that it can, (and based off the fact that it didn't that's some circumstantial evidence to suggest the opposite.
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Lt. Staplic wrote:Nope, we have no evidence to indicate that it can, (and based off the fact that it didn't that's some circumstantial evidence to suggest the opposite.
I know this isn't the place for a debate so if someone wants to kick this post to a more appropriate area, that's fine; BUT i actually have a half-a$$ed theory about that (but i think it's better than Magic Headbands). Could it be they didn't attack cloaked because 1. they didn't want to startle the Enterprise (and hailing them would have given away their cloaked position because I'd assume the Romulans have the ability to track their own frequencies to the the source) and then once they made their appearance they hoped to intimidate shinzon into surrendering and after that it just made it easier to coordinate with the Enterprise?
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??? :confused:
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Mark wrote:??? :confused:
What's the question?

I'm trying to argue that the Norexean may in fact have the magic Fire When Cloaked ability of the Scimitar even if we didn't see it used. Should it be rephrased?
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Sonic Glitch wrote:I know this isn't the place for a debate so if someone wants to kick this post to a more appropriate area, that's fine; BUT i actually have a half-a$$ed theory about that (but i think it's better than Magic Headbands). Could it be they didn't attack cloaked because 1. they didn't want to startle the Enterprise (and hailing them would have given away their cloaked position because I'd assume the Romulans have the ability to track their own frequencies to the the source) and then once they made their appearance they hoped to intimidate shinzon into surrendering and after that it just made it easier to coordinate with the Enterprise?
Or they can't fire while cloaked, which is consistent with what we observe of them, and would make them the same as every other cloak-capable ship we've ever seen with the exception of Chang's BoP and the Scimitar. Guess which one Occam's Razor chooses.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Sonic Glitch wrote:I know this isn't the place for a debate so if someone wants to kick this post to a more appropriate area, that's fine; BUT i actually have a half-a$$ed theory about that (but i think it's better than Magic Headbands). Could it be they didn't attack cloaked because 1. they didn't want to startle the Enterprise (and hailing them would have given away their cloaked position because I'd assume the Romulans have the ability to track their own frequencies to the the source) and then once they made their appearance they hoped to intimidate shinzon into surrendering and after that it just made it easier to coordinate with the Enterprise?
Or they can't fire while cloaked, which is consistent with what we observe of them, and would make them the same as every other cloak-capable ship we've ever seen with the exception of Chang's BoP and the Scimitar. Guess which one Occam's Razor chooses.
Oh I understand the Occam's Razor argument I'm just playing devil's advocate and I believe Occam's Razor dictates the least-complicated solution is most likely the correct one, which is different from being the correct one. What in heaven's name is so wrong with the idea that advanced Romulan ships have the same cloaking device and some Commander's chose not to use it?
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Well, they would have survived alot longer if they WERE cloaked and firing in the Scimitar fight.
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Sonic Glitch wrote:Oh I understand the Occam's Razor argument I'm just playing devil's advocate and I believe Occam's Razor dictates the least-complicated solution is most likely the correct one, which is different from being the correct one.
Indeed, but given that we can't knock on the designer's door and ask whether the Valdore-types can fire while cloak, we have to base our conclusions on observations and logic. The former very strongly suggests that they can't, while the latter provides no evidence whatsoever that they can. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence, ergo the logical conclusion is that they can't.
What in heaven's name is so wrong with the idea that advanced Romulan ships have the same cloaking device and some Commander's chose not to use it?
The fact that it would makes said commanders grossly incompetent, primarily for the reason Mark gave.
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well regardless we're not going to allow the Norexean to fire while cloaked.
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So which one of us are you waiting on?
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I sent mine in this morning 8)
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I'm waiting on myself....I'll need time to run it...It was a miracle that I got time to post it yesterday, and to get on here today at all, but I'm currently studying for an AP Gov final so I'll get around to running the first phase after school tomorrow...should have a crap load of free time then.
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Lt. Staplic wrote:I'm waiting on myself....I'll need time to run it...It was a miracle that I got time to post it yesterday, and to get on here today at all, but I'm currently studying for an AP Gov final so I'll get around to running the first phase after school tomorrow...should have a crap load of free time then.
Ah alright. Good luck on AP Gov. Those AP Exams are a God-Send when you get to college (assuming you do well enough to get credit :)). My school didn't offer AP Gov otherwise I would've taken that too
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