"Admiral" Janeway's worst screw-up?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:44 pm

Just because you have the technology dosen't mean you could understand it or mass produce it easily, try giving Leonardo da Vinci a laptop computer. He may be a genius, he may even be able to figure out how to use it, but he would never be able to understand how to build one, the technology is too far ahead of him.
By the time Starfleet does figure this stuff out and puts it into use, Janeway might be dead or retired.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:47 pm

Voyager ALMOST got it working and its v=crewed by your average joes.

Starfleet R&D would have a field day with all the information Voyager brings back.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:49 pm

Voyager ALMOST got it working and its v=crewed by your average joes.

True.
Thats one of the things I hated most about that show.

Starfleet R&D would have a field day with all the information Voyager brings back.

I suppose so.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:10 pm

GrahamKennedy wrote:Hard to say what screw up had the biggest ramifications, since such things are not easy to extrapolate. Past a certain point you just can't say that X happened because of Y.

True, but I'd say standing Voyager in the Delta Quadrant in the first place is pretty quantifiable - if she hadn't made that screwup, she wouldn't have been in a position to make any of the others.

To me, her greatest screw up was the thing she did that was most clearly and obviously wrong. And I'd go with her murder of Tuvix.

Well, given the debate that produced both when it came up for the weekly poll, and in the thread here, I'd say that that isn't as clear as you make it out to be. For a clear-cut case of a morally indefensible action, I'd go for her attempted murder of Lessings in Equinox Pt 2.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:24 pm

She also relieved Chakotay in that for trying to stop her mass murdering the Equinox.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:10 pm

I wouldn't call that a screw up so much as something amoral.

A screw up is "Oh Sh*t I shouldnt have done that*

That was more of a "I did what I thought I had to*

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:29 pm

Teaos wrote:That was more of a "I did what I thought I had to*

More like "His Captain made me look like a fool so I'm going to give him to the aliens they've been torturing as dinner because I'm a vindictive psychopath."

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:55 pm

Probably why I like her. Who doesnt love a psychopath.

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:44 pm

The Alliance with the Borg always struck me as her worst mistake.

There was granting Quinn asylum, thus sparking off a war in the Continuum. And going after Chakotays baby, thus losing Voyager, and I think 4 crew members.

Lets not be too harsh though, how many people died due to Picards misjudgments?. Another thread is needed I think

Blackstar the Chakat · Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:48 pm

Teaos wrote:Probably why I like her. Who doesnt love a psychopath.

Ya, thats why House is so popular(show about crazy old man doctor who doesn't seem to have a moral center and loves solving medical puzzles)

JudgeKing · Post by **JudgeKing** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:53 am

Being aloud to join Starfleet in the first place.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:53 pm

I agree with judge king. She's a pain in the hind side that should never have been given command of a ship like Voyager! Maybe an Oberth but not a long range light cruiser. Why doesn't starfleet think about who they put in command of their ships.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:26 pm

Deepcrush, there is a flaw in your thinking.
You seem to be under the assumption that the people who assigned Janeway to the Voyager had some inteligence, when its canon fact that Starfleet does not admit anyone with an IQ over 100.

Captain Peabody · Post by **Captain Peabody** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:24 pm

You seem to be under the assumption that the people who assigned Janeway to the Voyager had some inteligence, when its canon fact that Starfleet does not admit anyone with an IQ over 100.

Well, yeah; plus, everyone knows all Starfleet Admirals are insane anyway...

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:31 pm

Rochey wrote:Deepcrush, there is a flaw in your thinking.
You seem to be under the assumption that the people who assigned Janeway to the Voyager had some inteligence, when its canon fact that Starfleet does not admit anyone with an IQ over 100.

Data?