Find the Founders IV

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I think that had Teaos not been killed, he'd still be pushing for us to kill Stitch. That doesn't, in of itself, mean Stitch is a Founder, but it doesn't look good, either.
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Those are my thoughts as well. What about everyone else? Nick? Relient? Bob?
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Ok, I think I have calmed down enough to clearly state my case.
I know, with near certainty, that Tsu is not a Founder. If he were, he would have jumped at the chance to get rid of a human. The same applies to Nick and Bob. You only needed one more vote to eliminate me. The only ones who fell into Teaos' trap are Mark and Reliant.
I'll bet you didn't see the trap. Well, I saw it. Teaos was banking on the fact that true Starfleet officers would not kill without suitable evidence. What he had was not evidence, it was a bunch of suppositions. I do wish that I had protected him last night; he would quickly confirm what I am saying.
What I am saying is this: true Starfleet officers would never execute a person without evidence. Yet this is what Mark and Reliant did. Therefore, in my expert opinion, Mark and Reliant are Founders.
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Wow....what a bunch of horse hockey. Let's look at the facts.

1. The Captain gets murdered. Tsu and I TOGETHER find the body. Stitch, you were nowhere to be found. The best you can come up with is that you were sleeping.

2. Teaos accused you. I don't know about Relient, but I happened to agree with Teaos's opinion. My gut still is leaning toward you. It just so happened that three of us think you ARE a founder. After all, you yourself said that you with all of your experience in war could see why us inexperienced in the war thought you were acting founderish. Ok. Possible. Of course it is also possible that you let your mask slip at bit, and tried to cover it up.

3. If we HAD acted last night, would Teaos still be alive? Honestly, I don't know. But we know that we did NOTHING, and now he's dead.

4. More than once, you have intimated that you are some kind of security specialist. You must have known that by saying this, you made yourself a target. Yet you made it through the night because you protected yourself. At best, that smacks of self interest and at worst that strikes me as an awfully convienient reason the Founders didn't get you. Unless of course there is another reason you weren't targeted.

5. You had two other people who felt you were acting founder-ish enough to warrent taking action. The man who called for the action is now murdered. Unless you want to claim Teaos is a Founder, and faked his own death.

Yessir. That only adds up one way to me. You all draw your own conclusions from that.
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Now, that is some pretty good reasonin, Mark...i gotta say that I agree with the points you have raised. Stitch....it don't look all that good to be honest.
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:: walks back into room ::
If I were a Founder, Teaos would still be alive. It would be suicide to have killed him last night. Even a stupid Founder would know that. It would be much easier to dissuade Tsu and Nick and Bob if Teaos were alive.
As for last night, I realized too late what Teaos' plan was. I was trying to make myself a target. I knew I could survive the night, but wasn't sure who the Founders would target first. Therefore, the logical thing to do would be to protect myself.
As to what I said before, about behavior of Starfleet officers...
I cannot think of one example in all of Starfleet history where they executed someone based on a bunch of hunches. The only time Starfleet officers have suggested murder has been while under control of other beings or were other beings disguised as Starfleet officers.
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As for your points Mark...
1) Inconsequential. My whereabouts when you found Rochey would have no bearing on whether or not I killed him. And I wasn't no where to be found. I was in the sleeping quarters; you may have seen me when you woke up, though it was still somewhat dark when I heard your shouts.
2) Well, there is no arguing the fact that Teaos did accuse me, no matter what his intention. However, while maybe three thought I was a Founder, three also felt there was insufficient evidence to murder someone.
3) I feel that if you had killed me yesterday, Teaos would also have been killed because he would be the next suspect after you found I am human. And then we would be down two humans. However, this is just a guess.
4) Well, I wouldn't call myself a security specialist... more of a Dominion specialist. I've been in the war long enough to know how they think. And yes, I was trying to draw fire, because I knew I could protect myself, and it wasn't until it was too late that I realized Teaos was the target.
5) Well, can't argue with fact's... Teaos did accuse me. And I knew he was human well before last night, so trying to say he was a suicidal Founder would be pointless.

You're evidence stems from the fact that Teaos accused me. However, if his accusation had been true, the smart thing to do would be to kill off one of the others who agreed with him. As we have seen, the death of the accuser only brings guilt upon the accused. However, it would make perfect sense to kill Teaos if the accusation was false, because of its evident effects. Therefore, i submit that I am not a Founder.
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I think that Stitch is correct, because if he killed Teaos then he would incriminate himself, so it would have been the most foolish mistake a founder could make, and with all the training they supposedly get it would not make sense that he would kill someone that could not convince the rest of the group. So it does not make sense that he would kill Teaos, does anyone follow my logic here?

Also Mark and Reliant are purely following each other, so it makes me think that they are both founders, it makes sense that they would try to accuse stitch only 10 minutes after they found Teaos' body. But it was a foolish mistake because I can see through their guises. I'm pretty sure that they are the founders.
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Ung. Guys look. Assume that it was say, Nick that we found this morning. What do you imagine Teaos would have done? He would have gone right back after Stitch. Wouldn't that seem logical? I seriously can't imagine him saying "Oh, well, since Nick got killed, it must be someone else." Come on. Stitch logically would have had to have protected himself by eliminating Teaos, obvious or not, since Teaos would have kept challanging him today. If he'd killed Nick, Relient, Bob, or Tsu he would have undercut those trying to save him. That would leave killing me or Teaos for voting against him. Teaos was the accuser. Now Teaos is dead.
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But I'm not dead, Teaos is!
Also what does it matter where he was after Rochey died?
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Alright. You want to murder me. Go ahead. After you discover that I am human, your next Mark.
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Ok, let's try this again. IF it was you who had been killed, what would you guess that Teaos would have done?

As for where he was when we found Rochey it seems logical to me that WHILE killing the Captain the founders would have needed a degree of privacy wouldn't you say? So, wouldn't you think it would make sense that a founder would say he was somewhere doing something that couldn't be verified by anyone else? If you can show me one person who can vouch for him that he was really there, I'll drop that line completely.
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If your dead, then its up to us to decide that. Although, the case will be kinda strong against Mark in that instance.
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Mark, only tsuki and your whereabouts can be confirmed by eachother. So why don't you go about blaming everyone else too, if thats your reasoning.
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Stitch, I don't want to murder anybody. I just want to go home. I really DON'T want it to be you. I'm sick and scared to death from all of this killing. But what if I'm next? I need to share my thoughts and observations. I owe it to the others. If I'm wrong, I'm really sorry. But I'm NOT ready to actually accuse you. I'll admit, I jumped on Teaos's bandwagon before, and got carried away, but your right in what you said before. I don't want to make a mistake here. There are enough bodies piling up.

But even you have to admit that you look suspiscious as hell.
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