Fluidic space.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:54 pm

Fluidic space is the home ground of species 8472 as seen in Voyager. I originally thought this was another part of our universe but then realized that that is impossible. There entire universe is filled with matter and if every point in that universe was not pulled in every direction by the same gravitational force there would be a "Center" to the fluidic space.

If it formed a sphere like how most people imagine our universe looks like the center of the sphere would be under unbelievable gravitational pull.

Thus there can be no edge. The fluid goes on forever. Since it goes on forever the gravitational pull is equal all across the space so it doesn't collapse.

Also I don't think we can really call it space since there is no space

The whole idea while interesting is mind bending.

I originally thought that we could use the old cop out of "The usual laws of physics don't apply here" but we know they do. For one Voyager didn't explode as soon as it entered and two it still worker just fine. Considering the inner workings of Voyager depend on some pretty fundamental physics if they weren't the same here Voyager wouldn't have worked or even existed.

You also have the problem of how did 8472 evolve? On a planet? Are there planets there? Everything seems to be organic. Maybe they just float in space. But then why do they have legs? How warm is it there? I don't see how a sun could form or work but maybe they have their own form of sun of heat producing thing. Maybe the movement of the liquid forms enough heat for life to survive but then where does light come from? An Algae? So many questions.

Crushproof · Post by **Crushproof** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:23 pm

If fluidic space did go on forever, and was filled with infinite amounts of matter, then the gravitational force should also be infinite, and would instantly obliterate Voyager the moment it entered.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:28 pm

No because the pull is equal in all directions thus it is like there is no gravity at all as far as the fluid is concerned. The only time we get gravity is from planets with a higher density than the fluid.

Bryan Moore · Post by **Bryan Moore** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:44 am

Ah the wonders of sci-fi. I remember thinking about this when I first saw the episodes, and it is certainly hard to comprehend the varous gravitational principles (especially considering I was about 14 or 15 when it would have first aired) associated. Trying to put it into a normal universe context seems rather futile.

But for the sake of writing, lets just suggest that this universe is essentially in a separate "bubble" (see Brief History of Time or Universe in a Nutshell) and is self-contained and separate from our own (which is silly, as the two could never contact, since they'd cease to be separate), and they happened to make contact through some amazing universal anomaly. And this anomaly just happens to shift any matter being sent back and forth (including Voyager, 8472, etc) so that it obeys the laws of that particular universe. In other words, its not just an anomaly, its a SUPER anomaly!

Okay, just an idea, but you can't say it's "too far fetched" in a world where EVERYTHING is too far fetched.

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:00 pm

It's an interesting idea but the physics behind it are impossible unless you change the laws of physics... something Trek likes to do.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:05 pm

Oh gods...fluidic space. *shudder*
I can't even begin to figure that one out.

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:27 pm

It does screw with your mind but it is also very cool to think about the physical propeties of it.

MetalHead · Post by **MetalHead** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:33 pm

I reckon fluidic space could be just a section of normal space where there is alot of matter for a huge distance in every concieveable direction (though I know nothing about physics really), like for instance two quadrants worth, as 8472 ships can operate in normal space as much as borg ships and voyager can operate in fluidic space

Post by **Teaos** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:36 pm

No if that were the case it would form a sphere of gravity were the center would have huge gravity. For fluidic space to work it has to be another universe were the fluid goes on forever with no ending.

Cyd · Post by **Cyd** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:44 am

Even at impulse wouldn't the pressure in fluidic space tear Voyager (or the 8472 ships) up in seconds? 25% C in a liquid shouldn't be possible.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:54 am

8472 probably have some way around it but Voyager should be screwed.

Space Ghost · Post by **Space Ghost** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:06 am

Fluidic space... it just sounds dirty.

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:17 am

Only if your minds in the gutter

Space Ghost · Post by **Space Ghost** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:29 am

Oh. I guess it is.

I Am Spartacus · Post by **I Am Spartacus** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:40 pm

It could be some alternate universe where the laws of physics as we know them don't apply.

But then again if Voyager has the structural integrity to withstand trillions of g-forces while at warp speeds in normal space, I don't see how she couldn't withstand the g-forces in fluidic space while at impulse or less.

Funny thought: shouldn't Voyager's shields have kept the fluid in fluidic space out? There would be a bubble of shields around that ship, and inside the bubble would be Voyager set inside a vacuum. That can neatly solve the whole problem of tremendous gravity forces pressing against her hull, because none would be.

If we assume her shields are strong enough, of course.