Space Ocean

[Teaos]

As seen in the Voyager episode thirty days (one of my favorite VOY episodes) there are a few things I find odd about it.

Firstly is how for once the writers got its size pretty damn close to what you would expect from an M class planet being drained.

Secondly, Why? Sure this could be one of those things that you do just because you can but that seems unlikely. It could be some sort of experiment but that seems unlikely for a few reasons

Would it be able to support any life in a natural food chain? I don't see how it could sustain it since it would have no nutrients added to it like a natural ocean does through run off.

The big question I have is, in the episode it says it is losing containment and that the water is shooting off into space. Why would this happen? Shouldn't gravity hold it together like a planet is held together?

Also it says the core is getting damaged by the water getting denser due to the industry on the inhabitance. How could you make water denser? And even if you did somehow make it denser the sphere its self would remain the same mass since nothing is leaving or being added to it.

Strange

[Aaron]

As seen in the Voyager episode thirty days (one of my favorite VOY episodes) there are a few things I find odd about it.

Firstly is how for once the writers got its size pretty damn close to what you would expect from an M class planet being drained.

A broken clock is still right twice a day, right?

Secondly, Why? Sure this could be one of those things that you do just because you can but that seems unlikely. It could be some sort of experiment but that seems unlikely for a few reasons

The first thing that comes to mind is that someone stripped the ocean off an enemies world as a punishment.

Would it be able to support any life in a natural food chain? I don't see how it could sustain it since it would have no nutrients added to it like a natural ocean does through run off.

I don't see how it could unless the race using it is stocking it. I also don't understand how it's not a frozen ball.

The big question I have is, in the episode it says it is losing containment and that the water is shooting off into space. Why would this happen? Shouldn't gravity hold it together like a planet is held together?

You would think so.

Also it says the core is getting damaged by the water getting denser due to the industry on the inhabitance. How could you make water denser? And even if you did somehow make it denser the sphere its self would remain the same mass since nothing is leaving or being added to it.

Strange

I wrote that off as them meaning pressure.

[Teaos]

A broken clock is still right twice a day, right?

Not if its digital

The first thing that comes to mind is that someone stripped the ocean off an enemies world as a punishment.

They say in episode the method they use, a kinetic movement system took 200 years to achive it. So its possible but unlikely.

I don't see how it could unless the race using it is stocking it. I also don't understand how it's not a frozen ball.

Yeah I cant see anything but a few krill like creatures living there.

But if it was in the perfect spot I could see it being the right temp. And considering it was man made they would obviously place it right.

Although something I just though of. What happens if a commet hits it? Shouldnt the core we saw be covered in meteor matter?

I wrote that off as them meaning pressure.

But even if they did mean pressure how would that increase unless you add to the mass of the sphere.

[Mikey]

As seen in the Voyager episode thirty days (one of my favorite VOY episodes) there are a few things I find odd about it.

Firstly is how for once the writers got its size pretty damn close to what you would expect from an M class planet being drained.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Secondly, Why? Sure this could be one of those things that you do just because you can but that seems unlikely. It could be some sort of experiment but that seems unlikely for a few reasons

Because the plot called for a Space Ocean.

Would it be able to support any life in a natural food chain? I don't see how it could sustain it since it would have no nutrients added to it like a natural ocean does through run off.

I suppose it could technically be self-supporting, but would require far more photosynthetic addition to the bio-mass than an interstellar body would likely be able to generate. So, in this case, unless it stopped right by a white or yellow star 60% of the time, no.

The big question I have is, in the episode it says it is losing containment and that the water is shooting off into space. Why would this happen? Shouldn't gravity hold it together like a planet is held together?

Yes it should, unless for some stupid reason the water is pressurized over and above what pressure gravity would induce.

Also it says the core is getting damaged by the water getting denser due to the industry on the inhabitance. How could you make water denser? And even if you did somehow make it denser the sphere its self would remain the same mass since nothing is leaving or being added to it.

Strange

I imagine this was a vernacular or shorthand comment - "denser" referring to either the mixture comprising the ocean - the actual water plus any solutes, suspended particulates, etc - or that the density of the solutes/suspensions was increasing in ratio to the solvent.

[Captain Picard's Hair]

I'm not sure if this water, removed from it's planet, is massive enough for its own gravity to induce enough pressure to keep the water in a liquid state.

Another thing: the surface of the ocean showed wave-like motion, but there was no atmosphere to generate winds.

[Aaron]

Another thing: the surface of the ocean showed wave-like motion, but there was no atmosphere to generate winds.

*groan* Are you fucking serious?

[Sionnach Glic]

It's times like these that I fall back on my answer for every bit of stupidity in the Trek universe:
The writers are morons.

There, problem solved.

[Mikey]

I'm not sure if this water, removed from it's planet, is massive enough for its own gravity to induce enough pressure to keep the water in a liquid state.

Another thing: the surface of the ocean showed wave-like motion, but there was no atmosphere to generate winds.

Well, the the thing was in interstellar space, so it's a question of little gravity competing with NO gravity. As to the wave-motion thing... no reasonable explanation exists that I can think of.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

But even if they did mean pressure how would that increase unless you add to the mass of the sphere.

Well, they kept adding buildings and ships and that would displace the water in that area. It happens all the time on earth when we launch ships, however we don't have a forcefield or whatever it was holding the water down, and it's never enough to be noticed. However the water planet is held together by a containment field of some sort if I remember correctly. When the displacement reaches a certain point the planet would, 'overflow' so to speak.

Secondly, Why? Sure this could be one of those things that you do just because you can but that seems unlikely. It could be some sort of experiment but that seems unlikely for a few reasons

Well, under the water of a natural planet there is even more land right? Maybe they did it to a planet to mine the underwater resources.

Another thing: the surface of the ocean showed wave-like motion, but there was no atmosphere to generate winds.

True, but waves could also be created by other methods, like the underwater activities. I believe the device holding the planet together was also failing, and the waves could be a symptom of it.

[Tsukiyumi]

Quite logical, Blackstar. Only, no mass could be added to the ocean unless they're mining outside resources and bringing them back.

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Quite logical, Blackstar. Only, no mass could be added to the ocean unless they're mining outside resources and bringing them back.

Weren't those aliens living there adding mass by building ships and facilities there?

[Tsukiyumi]

Weren't those aliens living there adding mass by building ships and facilities there?

Unless they had zero-point replicators, there's no way they could add mass, only transfer it.

[Captain Picard's Hair]

There may have been a nearby asteroid belt they could mine?

[Blackstar the Chakat]

Weren't those aliens living there adding mass by building ships and facilities there?

Unless they had zero-point replicators, there's no way they could add mass, only transfer it.

Say what? Transfer from what? It was a planet made up of water right? Wouldn't the materials to build the ships and facilities have to come from somewhere else, and thus add the mass.

[Mikey]

Displacement wouldn't increase pressure; water is cohesive.