Random DS9 thoughts

[Deepcrush]

We should make a list of the Legates we've seen, and trying to establish if there had been more than one at the same time, which I believe is the case.

I've only seen four and only one at a time. The one who thought he was Kira's father, Dukat, Dumar, then the guy who the founder had killed.

I think Legate Damar once had to meet a certain Legate while planning the rebellion, did he not?

If so then that would throw my earlier impressions out the window and make Seafort a very happy boy.

But massive stunt rays would not damage the ground, nor the local infrastructure. When the Ent used artillery stun guns, they did not managed a rubble of the target city. So you can fire indiscriminately.

IIRC, the Starship Stun Phaser attack has only been used once and that was in trek. It only worked outside of buildings which means it would have been useless against men in bunkers or other defensive positions.

[SolkaTruesilver]

But massive stunt rays would not damage the ground, nor the local infrastructure. When the Ent used artillery stun guns, they did not managed a rubble of the target city. So you can fire indiscriminately.

That's the problem - no-one inside a building will be affected.

Do you think the So'Na were the only with the technology of the hunter drones that can focus the beaming ray?

Also.. hum... did we ever saw stunt grenades in Trek?

Argg... Trek would need some combined arms... I always loved the MACO

[Captain Seafort]

Do you think the So'Na were the only with the technology of the hunter drones that can focus the beaming ray?

You mean the drones that were sent after six hundred unarmed civilians, mostly in the open, with half a dozen escorts, and only managed to tag a few dozen of them?

[Deepcrush]

The objections I have are to the statement that there's a single Legate, head of the First Order, and that Dukat was head of the Second. Consider the rest of the objection conceded - I was hasty and sweeping in lumping the whole post in.

I've only seen one Legate at a time, and whenever a command decision of the 2nd Order was made it was done so by Dukat. This included matters of state which is strange if he wasn't the head of it at all.

Regarding the Legates, we've heard or seen of almost a dozen Legates, many of whom were serving simultaneously (Turrel, Parn and Ghemor in 2370, Kell and Duvak in 2374 and Hovat, Goris and Damar in 2375) plus a few others who's service probably overlapped.

Regarding Dukat, I only recall him identifying himself as being "of" the Second Order, not that he was its commander.

The Dukat part is answered above. As to multiple Legats, I don't recall ever seeing multiple Legates. So if they are there then they are and my impression is wrong. But since I haven't seen such to this point in time, I have to stand by my impression until evidence presents itself to change that impression.

Again, the whole piece I put up was my thoughts to the matter. I didn't state it or intend it to sound as though I was speaking it as canon.

[Deepcrush]

DAMN SYMO-POSTING!

[SolkaTruesilver]

Do you think the So'Na were the only with the technology of the hunter drones that can focus the beaming ray?

You mean the drones that were sent after six hundred unarmed civilians, mostly in the open, with half a dozen escorts, and only managed to tag a few dozen of them?

Yup, these ones.

In a close-combat urban environment, they'd be much more efficient. Less line of fire to shoot them, while being able to move in 3d and being that small would give them the advantage.

[Captain Seafort]

In a close-combat urban environment, they'd be much more efficient. Less line of fire to shoot them, while being able to move in 3d and being that small would give them the advantage.

They were shit against unarmed civilians, in circumstances when they could have stayed at long range and picked off their targets far more easily than Picard's bunch could have shot them down. At close range, where their own field of fire would be equally constrained, in an environment where every target would be armed, they'd be utterly useless.

[Deepcrush]

In a close-combat urban environment, they'd be much more efficient.

Other way around in fact. Having to move through buildings would give them predicable paths to follow making it easier to destroy them. Plus they can't kick down a door or open a window.

Less line of fire to shoot them, while being able to move in 3d and being that small would give them the advantage.

That line of fire swings both ways as the defenders will be harder to reach. 3D motion doesn't help if the man you're after is in a bunker or trench. There's still only one way to reach him, get in the line of fire. You can shoot him, he can shoot you back.

[Tyyr]

And it's STUN not stunt, STUN.

[Mikey]

The So'na drones were rendered even less effective than they originally were when the Ba'ku moved into hilly and pocked terrain, which more accurately simulates an urban envorionment.

As to what I meant by the term "bass-ackward," Seafort's partially correct:
#1 - During the course of a civil war or coup d'etat, the extant regime's forces would be fighting a supremely inefficient and stupid war if they were trying to arrest every single enemy combatant instead of fight them. What you're talking about is tantamount to the American Civil War, but with the Union soldiers trying not to kill any CSA soldiers.
#2 - If you stun all your troops in an area along with all the enemy troops, then the enemies who were indoors just come out and retake the area, and/or you leave your troops supremely vulnerable to all the rebels in the adjacent areas. If you take a particular city in the throes of rebellion, there's a damned good chance that every rebel combatant isn't within a 1-block radius of every other at any given time.

[Mark]

I had a crazy thought.

Do you suppose the Cartwrights (ie Admiral Cartwright ST IV and VI) and the Siskos (ie one Joseph Sisko) are related?

How ironic would it be to have one of the greatest heroes of the 24th century desended from one of the greatest traitors of the 23rd?

[Deepcrush]

That would be weird...

Though being as awesome as The Sisko is, I always just figured he was one of Kirks random offspring.

[Mark]

Well, I suppose he COULD be the grandson (since his mother was a wormhole alien) of Kirk and another "Prophet". Kirk DID like to bed those alien gals, didn't he?

[SolkaTruesilver]

I had a crazy thought.

Do you suppose the Cartwrights (ie Admiral Cartwright ST IV and VI) and the Siskos (ie one Joseph Sisko) are related?

How ironic would it be to have one of the greatest heroes of the 24th century desended from one of the greatest traitors of the 23rd?

Can I ask from where you draw that speculation?

[Tsukiyumi]

Maybe the obvious fact that Brock Peters played both Admiral Cartwright and Joseph Sisko?