Ship of the week: Breen frigate

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:55 am

Yeah I know that I was just pointing out that organic does not mean crap.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 3:36 am

And yet they were unable to defend against the nanobot bomb, which if they had even a 1/2 inch of sheet metal on their hull they would have been immune to it.

Monroe · Post by **Monroe** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:18 am

Also 8472 is from a different dimension so their organic compounds may not obey the same laws of physics.
Still though, they do have extremely strong ships but that's not to say a technologically advance race couldn't make better metal ones.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:38 pm

We can't assume that a species which uses organic technology would use the same sort of materials that we currently have here on Earth in RL. The organic ship technology we have seen - 8472 ships, Xyrillians, whatever components of Breen ships are in fact organic - are patently able to do things which are beyond the ken of our modern organic knowledge... such as withstand the rigors of FTL space flight. It may or may not be more advanced than "contemporary" traditional 'Treknology - but it sure as hell ain't the same.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:43 pm

Monroe wrote:Also 8472 is from a different dimension so their organic compounds may not obey the same laws of physics.
Still though, they do have extremely strong ships but that's not to say a technologically advance race couldn't make better metal ones.

If they obeyed different laws of physics they wouldn't have been able operate in our universe, nor Voyager in theirs. Therefore the laws of physics must be exactly the same in both universes.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:32 pm

Teaos wrote:8472 have the most advanced ships we have seen able to with stand powerful fire power. Thus it would seem organic is better than metal.

Fluidic space.

These guys aren't the best yard stick to judge things by.

Yeah I know that I was just pointing out that organic does not mean crap.

On its own? Nope.
In comparison to conventional craft? Yes, it does.

Mikey wrote:. The organic ship technology we have seen - 8472 ships, Xyrillians, whatever components of Breen ships are in fact organic - are patently able to do things which are beyond the ken of our modern organic knowledge... such as withstand the rigors of FTL space flight.

All of which have been done, in some cases better, by conventional craft.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:00 pm

Rochey wrote:All of which have been done, in some cases better, by conventional craft.

OK... but why bother to bring this up? Nobody was debating whether or not "conventional" construction could produce a decent spacecraft. My point remains valid, then, that because of the onscreen evidence which I had cited, it is true that 'Treknolgy in regard to organic construction is beyond any modern RL examples which have been used - and has in 'Trek produced viable spacecraft.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:05 pm

My apologies. I thought we were debating which type of ship was better.
Sorry.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:06 pm

Rochey wrote:My apologies. I thought we were debating which type of ship was better.
Sorry.

Surely this is signature material?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:10 pm

What? It's not unheard of for me to make a mistake.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:11 pm

Don't apologize - maybe we were, and I'm the one out of the loop. If so, you're absolutely right. In every strategic example we've seen, the side with "conventional" ships has beaten the side with organic construction. There are plenty of "who knows" and "I don't think it would haves" but what was onscreen is unalterable.

I was merely trying to show that using examples from "our" Earth as far as organic materials may not really be applicable.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 6:20 pm

Rochey wrote:What? It's not unheard of for me to make a mistake.

Definitely signature material!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:45 pm

I was merely trying to show that using examples from "our" Earth as far as organic materials may not really be applicable.

True. An organic creature that can exist in vacuum already defies a few terrestrial laws as it is.

Definitely signature material!

Er, whatever...

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:56 pm

Try not to take things too seriously...

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:03 pm

I don't. I was just unsure what the hell was going on!