Yeah, three probes vs the thousands of ICBMs we have today. Somehow I see things working out differently.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Considering what they did ti the MDP ships in BOBW II, I think ICBMs would be well within their spee range to shoot down. And Seven's demonstrated that they can revive dead bodies... do drones even need to be alive to be assimilated?
That "defense perimeter" was seriously weak indeed. I don't know if the Borg needed to shoot at them rather than let the force of their laughter blow them up (or simply ignore them and blow right past)Deepcrush wrote:Yeah, three probes vs the thousands of ICBMs we have today. Somehow I see things working out differently.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Considering what they did ti the MDP ships in BOBW II, I think ICBMs would be well within their spee range to shoot down. And Seven's demonstrated that they can revive dead bodies... do drones even need to be alive to be assimilated?
Thousands of ICBMs that would be snails compared to what speeds would be in the 24th century. I think the Borg might have time to react... if those nukes would do anything to even their hull.Deepcrush wrote:Yeah, three probes vs the thousands of ICBMs we have today. Somehow I see things working out differently.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Considering what they did ti the MDP ships in BOBW II, I think ICBMs would be well within their spee range to shoot down. And Seven's demonstrated that they can revive dead bodies... do drones even need to be alive to be assimilated?
Maybe, but thousands are still thousands. Also, if the Borg want to start eating up a planet they have to get into orbit. Which means that they will have to deal with thousands of warheads in just the course of a few minutes.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Thousands of ICBMs that would be snails compared to what speeds would be in the 24th century. I think the Borg might have time to react... if those nukes would do anything to even their hull.
They can launch that quickly? Legit did not know that.Deepcrush wrote:Maybe, but thousands are still thousands. Also, if the Borg want to start eating up a planet they have to get into orbit. Which means that they will have to deal with thousands of warheads in just the course of a few minutes.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Thousands of ICBMs that would be snails compared to what speeds would be in the 24th century. I think the Borg might have time to react... if those nukes would do anything to even their hull.
True, then they'd have to keep backing away though. Back and forth, back and forth might get boring after a while.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Although if the Borg are in orbit and somehow couldn't defeat rockets on the level of a Model T to them, breaking orbit and letting them expire is an option.
PTs are more then able to do hurt and they aren't packing warheads in the Megaton range. Their disruptors can't be in a thousand places at once. And their shields have been shown not stopping solid objects, such as shuttles or an 8472 craft.Not to mention their tractor beams, disruptors, heavy shields capable of taking photon torpedoes with little trouble...
Umm... once the missiles are launched, wouldn't that be it? One shot for them, pretty much.True, then they'd have to keep backing away though. Back and forth, back and forth might get boring after a while.
The Borg adapted to PTs in pretty much their debut episode. Towards the end, the E-D launched three at the cube... and they did nothing. I mean literally nothing to the cube.PTs are more then able to do hurt and they aren't packing warheads in the Megaton range. Their disruptors can't be in a thousand places at once. And their shields have been shown not stopping solid objects, such as shuttles or an 8472 craft.
IMO, no one nuke would ever make it through, though when counted in the dozens or hundreds or thousands... that would be a problem for any Borg ship in orbit.
Do you really think that everyone is going to launch everything all at once???RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Umm... once the missiles are launched, wouldn't that be it? One shot for them, pretty much.
And all of those PTs combined wouldn't match the power of a single nuke. Plus, in First Contact we've seen that enough fire power can overwhelm the Borg Shields. Its just a matter of if the the warheads can strike enough times within the needed time period.The Borg adapted to PTs in pretty much their debut episode. Towards the end, the E-D launched three at the cube... and they did nothing. I mean literally nothing to the cube.
A nuke going of in the black of space isn't really worth much. Take that same nuke and set it off inside the hull, like as if your nuke went off after impact instead of on or prior.Their disruptors, no, but those tractor beams have a pretty wide field of fire. A nuke from the Earth/Romulan Wars exploded only a hundred meters or so from the E-nil in 'Balance of Terror' and did little damage to the ship. I'm not even sure she had her shields up at the time. Nuclear weapons have been described as 'primitive' in ST for the most part. Yes, a large number will be a problem, but to a cube, not that big of a problem.
Yes, people are stupid and panicky. They see giant unfriendly cube with the message the Borg transmit, they would fire everything they had as fast as possible.Do you really think that everyone is going to launch everything all at once???
That's because, on the ground (which is where the Borg would need to go if they wanted to assimilate a civilisation instead of merely obliterate it) any modern army would have a the Feds for breakfast.SomosFuga wrote:You are implying the borg can assimilate UFP but not todays Earth.
Until the \Borg start tractoring cities up to their ship/s or beaming drones straight into office buildings. And heaven help us if/when they connect to our computers.Captain Seafort wrote:That's because, on the ground (which is where the Borg would need to go if they wanted to assimilate a civilisation instead of merely obliterate it) any modern army would have a the Feds for breakfast.SomosFuga wrote:You are implying the borg can assimilate UFP but not todays Earth.
Whereupon they'd loose all their potential drones - no point in having a bunch of corpses.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Until the \Borg start tractoring cities up to their ship/s
Which will cause problems, until the tactics and technology are identified and troops/armed police are more widely deployed.beaming drones straight into office buildings.
Heaven help them, you mean. You did watch BoBW didn't you? That's what happens when a hacker gets into a Borg computer.And heaven help us if/when they connect to our computers.
I'm not convinced the humanoid has to be aliveto be assimilated. Witness Seven's resurrection of Neelix, for example.Captain Seafort wrote:Whereupon they'd loose all their potential drones - no point in having a bunch of corpses.RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Until the \Borg start tractoring cities up to their ship/s
Which will cause problems, until the tactics and technology are identified and troops/armed police are more widely deployed.beaming drones straight into office buildings.
Heaven help them, you mean. You did watch BoBW didn't you? That's what happens when a hacker gets into a Borg computer.And heaven help us if/when they connect to our computers.
