TOS Remastered: Disappointment in the Special Effects?

[Graham Kennedy]

Very Euro-centric of you, Graham.

Well that's the first time anybody has ever accused me of that!

[Mikey]

All in fun, of course. I'm not even sure I listed the traditional Chinese elements correctly.

[Captain Seafort]

The energy produced by the ship isn't necessarily vented as heat or neutrinos. For instance the BoP was using its impulse drive, which involves mass lightening effects - we think, the whole mass reduction thing is largely speculative. But how much energy goes to that? How much goes to the Structural Integrity Fields? How much goes to the cloaking device effect? We have no real canonical idea how any of this works, no real idea of even the basic physics behind most of it. So we can't really claim that if the ship is producing X amount of energy then X must end up being dumped overboard as energetic plasma.

Yes we can. If a ship is producing X watts then it must either be radiating X watts or it's heating up. First law of thermodynamics.

I'll wager that he's not an engineer with any experience or theoretical knowledge whatsoever in designing matter/antimatter power systems to power faster than light warp drives. When it comes to this stuff, it's made up science with some basis in reality. Nobody alive today can do more than guess at the intimate details of how it would work - except, rather ironically, the writers and technical advisors who are the very ones being called idiots.

The question isn't "could someone today design a warp core?" - the answer to that's obviously no. The question is, could a modern engineer spot flaws in the concept of a design? In this case the answer's yes - the specifics of the design are irrelevent. What is relevent is that basic engineering principles are ignored.

[Graham Kennedy]

Yes we can. If a ship is producing X watts then it must either be radiating X watts or it's heating up. First law of thermodynamics.

There's nothing whatsoever in thermodynamics that says that the ship must radiate that energy as heat in the plasma exhaust. Or as heat at all, for that matter.

The question isn't "could someone today design a warp core?" - the answer to that's obviously no. The question is, could a modern engineer spot flaws in the concept of a design? In this case the answer's yes - the specifics of the design are irrelevent. What is relevent is that basic engineering principles are ignored.

Nonsense. We don't know what the basic engineering principles of a warp drive or a matter/antimatter power system ARE. There's no possible way to take them into account, and anybody who claims he can is fooling himself.

[Captain Seafort]

There's nothing whatsoever in thermodynamics that says that the ship must radiate that energy as heat in the plasma exhaust. Or as heat at all, for that matter.

We do, however, know that it must radiate energy in some form. Since it's repeatedly stated that "all" emissions are blocked, that leaves the plasma.

Nonsense. We don't know what the basic engineering principles of a warp drive or a matter/antimatter power system ARE. There's no possible way to take them into account, and anybody who claims he can is fooling himself.

We don't know what the operating principles are, but we do know the basic priciples of engineering - and one of them is the dead-man's-switch principal.

[Graham Kennedy]

There's nothing whatsoever in thermodynamics that says that the ship must radiate that energy as heat in the plasma exhaust. Or as heat at all, for that matter.

We do, however, know that it must radiate energy in some form. Since it's repeatedly stated that "all" emissions are blocked, that leaves the plasma.

When is that stated?

Nonsense. We don't know what the basic engineering principles of a warp drive or a matter/antimatter power system ARE. There's no possible way to take them into account, and anybody who claims he can is fooling himself.

We don't know what the operating principles are, but we do know the basic priciples of engineering - and one of them is the dead-man's-switch principal.[/quote]

And we do not know if this can be applied to a warp drive. It's impossible to say.

[Mark]

All in fun, of course. I'm not even sure I listed the traditional Chinese elements correctly.

Don't they consider wood an element too?

[Teaos]

All in fun, of course. I'm not even sure I listed the traditional Chinese elements correctly.

Don't they consider wood an element too?

Yes. Which is probably why Mikey listed it.

[Sionnach Glic]

Nice observation skills, Mark.

[Mikey]

I would say that he's a past master of the obvious, but I guess that would be incorrect.

[Mark]

Nice observation skills, Mark.

Hey, it was late afternoon, and we were out of coffee...........I've got an excuse.

[Sionnach Glic]

No excuses.

[Tsukiyumi]

No excuses except for meeting deadlines.

Fixed it for ya.

[Sionnach Glic]

Exactly!

[Tsukiyumi]