What have ships done without warp cores?

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:12 pm

Just surprised.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:14 pm

Why are you surprised?

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:18 pm

I suppose just because, relatively speaking, I thought Nemesis was fast paced and entertaining. To be honest I think few/none of the Trek feature films stand up to any moderate or high level of scrutiny. Nemesis had holes in it but Generations and Insurrection made me yawn through several parts. Everything you said in your parody plot was a valid point, I just think that by the same level of critique, all Trek movies suck pretty much.

Borg Collective: MWA HA HA HA HA! WE ARE IN ORBIT OF DEFENSELESS, PRE-INSTERSTELLAR EARTH. WE SHALL NOW PROCEED TO BOMBARD THEM FROM ORBIT WITH FIREPOWER EQUIVALENT TO A LARGE FIRECRACKER! WHOO HA HA HA HA HA!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:26 pm

Actualy, I do intend to make parody scripts for pretty much all the films.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:30 pm

Meh. Nemesis was crap for plot, but A-OK for action and eye candy.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:34 pm

Rochey wrote:Actualy, I do intend to make parody scripts for pretty much all the films.

Speaking of which, how's Insurrection coming along?

Blackstar the Chakat · Fri May 16, 2008 8:38 pm

Mikey wrote:Meh. Nemesis was crap for plot, but A-OK for action and eye candy.

Yep. Unlike Generations which was crap for plot and crap for action and eye candy. "Engineering to bridge, the character shield is offline!"

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:38 pm

Not to mention that they thought we wouldn't notice the crash model was somehow blue as opposed to gray.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:41 pm

Duskofdead wrote:Not to mention that they thought we wouldn't notice the crash model was somehow blue as opposed to gray.

They must have scratched the paint on the way down.

stitch626 · Post by **stitch626** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:51 pm

The only things I really liked about Generations was... the E-B (pretty) and the score.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:59 pm

Mikey wrote:They must have scratched the paint on the way down.

Well, the hull was glowing pretty brightly during re-entry. Maybe it burned down to the undercoat.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri May 16, 2008 9:56 pm

Speaking of which, how's Insurrection coming along?

Uh, it's not going anywhere at the moment. Been busy. I'm up to the point where the E-E's been ordered off to Baku. The review's being slightly hampered by the fact that I saw the film a grand total of one time, when it first came out. So I'm having to look up the script of the film to remember what happened.

Duskofdead · Post by **Duskofdead** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:00 pm

Did you get to the part yet where Barbara Walters reveals herself as the Queen of the Son'a?

Post by **Mikey** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:01 pm

Duskofdead wrote:Did you get to the part yet where Barbara Walters reveals herself as the Queen of the Son'a?

sunnyside · Post by **sunnyside** » Fri May 16, 2008 10:01 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:The core itself was definately suffering damage, from the explosions we saw along it's length. How severe that damage was is the question, but I interpreted the intermittent surges, along with the explosions, as the core spluttering before failure.

There's also Geodi's statement that "we only have impulse", but dialogue WRT impulse, and whether they're talking about it as propulsion or power is notoriously imprecise.

I don't think you can have a core fail in a happy way. i.e. Generations. It makes sense the problem would be with the feed system.

Also it doesn't seem to be the core itself that's sparking. Rather the sparks are coming from the walls of engineering or, mostly in that shot, from the ring around the warp core that atteches to the large columns flanking it, which I"m pretty sure is supposed to be the main tap for the warp plasma.

We already know plasma conduits/taps are all to prone to sparking/popping when the ships shields take a hit. Looks like they lost/damaged those connecting the core to the nacelles.

There may be other taps on the core for not as energetic electro plasma(from various sources and promotional material we see that the core extends along most of the height of engineering not just what we can see), or it could be that every single tap on the core even there didn't pop, allowing some amount of electroplasma into the grid. Just not enough to power warp travel.

Finally it would seem to make more sense to say the warp core is offline if that was the case. If the core is down you can figure out that the drive isn't going to work. However there are many ways the drive could not work (say the nacelles took damage) but the core is fine.

So it makes sense to say core if its the core and say drive if its something other than the core.