DS9 era series thought...

[Mikey]

No, I think he lives in this forum - in which discussions grow organically, and - much like every other conversation in the world - having an antecedent to one's statement aids discussion to no end.

Other than that, I like Bateman - but wasn't he a captain in a completely different era than the Dominion War?

[Captain Seafort]

Um...excuse me? Has common sense been thrown to the wayside completely in this forum, or do you live in a bubble?

Common sense would have consisted of either a) continuing the line of debate in progress (which, this being DITL, had sod-all to do with the OP) or b) stating what exactly you were referring to. You did neither, hence Mikey's question.

[Captain Seafort]

Other than that, I like Bateman - but wasn't he a captain in a completely different era than the Dominion War?

Yes, but he got dragged into the 24th century courtesy of a plot device of the week temporal anomaly.

[Mikey]

Ah, I misremembered the ending of "Cause and Effect." I thought the Bozeman went back.

[Sonic Glitch]

Ah, I misremembered the ending of "Cause and Effect." I thought the Bozeman went back.

Nope. They're stuck...

[Tyyr]

Which I actually liked about that story. They didn't go for the stock time-travel everything back to the way it was ending.

Ship of the Line was an alright book that continued on with him. Nothing spectacular just alright.

[Mark]

I disagreed a bit with Ship of the Line. It just doesn't seem realistic how they handeled a Starfleet crew catapulted forward in time.

Think about it. Everything these people know is dated. They have about a century of history to catch up on, new tech to learn, new languaged, new policies, and so forth.

How could one reasonably expect them to continue Starfleet careers without perhaps going BACK to the acadamy to be completely retrained?

[Captain Seafort]

How could one reasonably expect them to continue Starfleet careers without perhaps going BACK to the acadamy to be completely retrained?

Quite easily, given a few courses to catch up. You can't change the laws of physics to start with, most of the academy seems to be bullshit renaissance man stuff, and Starfleet is still using some of the same technical journals they were (and in some case, that they wrote).

[Mark]

Let's try it this way.

Assume for a minute that the USS Givashit disappears in the waters of Pearl Harbor in 1920. Now, they reappear in the year 2000. Is it unrealistic to expect that it would take them at LEAST four years to catch up enough to be assigned a modern ship, or even to effectively continue their careers?

[Captain Seafort]

Assume for a minute that the USS Givashit disappears in the waters of Pearl Harbor in 1920. Now, they reappear in the year 2000. Is it unrealistic to expect that it would take them at LEAST four years to catch up enough to be assigned a modern ship, or even to effectively continue their careers?

It would take them far longer than that, but that's not really relevant to the question. If, on the other hand, one of Rooke's ships had disappeared off Malagar in 1704 and reappeared a century later off Cadiz, the ship and it's crew would be able to fit into Collingwood's blockading squadron with little difficulty. That's the sort of difference you're looking at, as proven by the fact that Mirandas, Excelsiors, K't'ingas and BoP remain effective combat units despite being as old as the Bozeman.

[Mark]

And in the time they were gone, such massive advances such as the TNG warp scale, phaser emitters, burst fire torps are just the first three that come to mind.

The engineers have to update all their engineering knowledge.

The scientists have to update on all the new equipment, discoveries made, new theories, and so forth.

The doctors have to catch up on all the medical advances of however long they were gone for.

The command staff has to catch up on galactic politics, new policies and procedures, learn to incorporate the new tech into updated tactics, so on and so forth.

That doesn't factor in the cousling they'll need to adapt to life in a future century.

They would have to learn most of they're craft all over again.

[Captain Seafort]

And in the time they were gone, such massive advances such as the TNG warp scale

Which seems to have slowed ships down tremendously, given the calculable top speeds of the E-nil and Voyager.

phaser emitters, burst fire torps

They had phasers and torps in TOS - neither of those are anything close to a "massive advance".

The engineers have to update all their engineering knowledge.

As I said, they're still using the same tech manuals. Any improvements must therefore be minor enough that a few updating courses should set them right.

The scientists have to update on all the new equipment, discoveries made, new theories, and so forth.

You don't need scientists to run a ship.

The doctors have to catch up on all the medical advances of however long they were gone for.

Again, what medical advances? I've seen very little evidence of any.

The command staff has to catch up on galactic politics

Beyond Khitomer, what exactly has changed?

new policies and procedures

Again, a few months would be more than enough.

learn to incorporate the new tech into updated tactics

What new technology? There are probably detail changes, but they're effectively identical.

That doesn't factor in the cousling they'll need to adapt to life in a future century.

Good point. The rest is easy, but living in a communist shithole where the PD's turned the genocide convention on its head must be tough.

They would have to learn most of they're craft all over again.

Bollocks. Assuming, of course, that I knew what "most of they are craft" meant

[Mikey]

Mark - in TNG: "Relics," Scotty was able to succesfully merge SOA TNG tech with that of 80 years prior... with a sum total of about 5 minutes familiarization. I don't see how that translates into more than a quick refresher for the crew of a ship who would go on to crew - (wait for it) - their own old ship. Anything else - politics, new protocols of the UFP, etc. - can be learned while underway.

[Atekimogus]

Well, altough there clearly are technological more advanced species in the Trek Universe, maybe the gap between the UFP and the borg for instance is not so great as one would think and they simply are nearing a point where there just isn't much more to do. Once you reached the ability to transport, replicate, have weapons with almost 100% efficiency etc. its probalby more a matter of combining things in a creative way but real scientific mysteries, stuff which would appear as magical to them as do replicators to us now simply do not exist anymore in this mortal universe.

Maybe thats the reason the Q bug them that they should seek to advance into a different way, since apart from mapping stars, there isn't much to learn anymore, most of the rules of the universe being understood.

[Mikey]

They certainly do seem to have hit a wall, at which there is no real further advancement - just refinement.

Then again, there are always new projects in TNG - soliton wave travel, particle fountains, etc., etc.