Faults of The Sisko

[McAvoy]

No. It doesn't show that they have no equivilant it just shows that starships do no actively carry a Marine or Army equivilant.

[Deepcrush]

Or when deployed on long term combat missions that they have no Marine or Army equivilant. Or that when they are posting guards to stations within a war zone or ships within a war zone or planets within a war zone or running missions within a war zone that they have no Marine or Army equivilant.

Thus, they have NO equivilant.

[McAvoy]

So... you think a small ship like the Defiant should carry a Marine equivilant?

Why would DS9 need a detachment when you have Bajoran, Klingon and Starfleet security and with a fleet outside the station to defend it?

[Deepcrush]

So... you think a small ship like the Defiant should carry a Marine equivilant?

Going into a war zone, escorting supplies to a planet under contest, landing an assault force on a hostile planet to attack an entrenched enemy...

Fucking duh.

Why would DS9 need a detachment when you have Bajoran, Klingon and Starfleet security and with a fleet outside the station to defend it?

Is this thought or lack there of for you not counting the two assaults by Jem'Hadar, one by the Klingons, one by the Bajorans and two by Cardassians? Because repelling boarding parties or maybe you know... landing on AR558 would be a great time to have Marines on the station and fleet you assigned to taking that planet...

Really, just stop talking. You're useless enough as is.

[McAvoy]

So... you think a small ship like the Defiant should carry a Marine equivilant?

Going into a war zone, escorting supplies to a planet under contest, landing an assault force on a hostile planet to attack an entrenched enemy...

Fucking duh.

Why would DS9 need a detachment when you have Bajoran, Klingon and Starfleet security and with a fleet outside the station to defend it?

Is this thought or lack there of for you not counting the two assaults by Jem'Hadar, one by the Klingons, one by the Bajorans and two by Cardassians? Because repelling boarding parties or maybe you know... landing on AR558 would be a great time to have Marines on the station and fleet you assigned to taking that planet...

Really, just stop talking. You're useless enough as is.

No.

The Bajorans took over because Starfleet left. The Dominion took over because Starfleet left. Cardassians only took over once with the Dominion. Klingons is the only example where a specialized force would have been needed.

Again, AAR-558 episode is the only time where the Marines or Army equivilant should have been used.

[Deepcrush]

The Bajorans took over because Starfleet left.

Because without Bajoran help they couldn't hold the station. Good time for some help.

The Dominion took over because Starfleet left.

The first attack was in fact a Jem'Hadar raid which kicked the stuffing out of the stations security. Good time for some help.

Cardassians only took over once with the Dominion.

The very first episode of DS9 the Cardassians came to reclaim the station. Which means boarding the station. A good time for some help.

Klingons is the only example where a specialized force would have been needed.

Well so long as you don't count the rest of the series, then yes, that episode would have been the only time a specialized force would be needed if it were the only episode of the whole show. Still, good time for some help.

Again, AAR-558 episode is the only time where the Marines or Army equivilant should have been used.

Minus when tracking the Maquis, or repelling boarders, or defending or taking planets or protecting ships. Because as you seem to point out so clearly... no one would use Marines or an Army to defend a planet, or a ship, or a station, or anything else when you can have a seaman stand there and die. Because nothing promotes the use of a taxi force so effectively.

[Captain Seafort]

Again, AAR-558 episode is the only time where the Marines or Army equivilant should have been used.

It was one of two cases where significant numbers of infantry were required and depicted (the other being Ajilon Prime). There were, however, a number of occasions when an SF or Marine detachment would have been much better suited to resolving the situation than the senior staff (To the Death, Apocalypse Rising, The Maquis, Second Skin, etc).

[McAvoy]

The Bajorans took over because Starfleet left.

Because without Bajoran help they couldn't hold the station. Good time for some help.

The Dominion took over because Starfleet left.

The first attack was in fact a Jem'Hadar raid which kicked the stuffing out of the stations security. Good time for some help.

That was a raid which was a security issue. Not holding a station.

Cardassians only took over once with the Dominion.

The very first episode of DS9 the Cardassians came to reclaim the station. Which means boarding the station. A good time for some help.

Klingons is the only example where a specialized force would have been needed.

Well so long as you don't count the rest of the series, then yes, that episode would have been the only time a specialized force would be needed if it were the only episode of the whole show. Still, good time for some help.

In any of those cases, in between those attacks/boarding actions, those same Marines would have been acting like security. In the end, it comes down to training. If anything it would have been better if they had better weapons.

[Deepcrush]

That was a raid which was a security issue. Not holding a station.

A raid by a platoon or even company of enemy troops... who is best for dealing with enemy troops. A, navy security that couldn't even fire back. B, Marines who are trained to deal with that exact issue? Tough call I know, but you can do it.

In any of those cases, in between those attacks/boarding actions, those same Marines would have been acting like security. In the end, it comes down to training. If anything it would have been better if they had better weapons.

Nice shift on the discussion. So now its not that they weren't needed, but that they would just be called security anyways. AND, its still totally okay to ignore the war that was going on as well. LOVELY!

Really, you are the poster child for pro-abortion. Feel proud kid.

[McAvoy]

Wow. Insults. How childish. Have your balls dropped or are you still sucking on Mommy's titty?

I never said they were not needed. I just said because a handful of episodes through 700+ episodes does not immediately mean there are no Marines or Army equivilants.

[Deepcrush]

Wow. Insults. How childish. Have your balls dropped or are you still sucking on Mommy's titty?

Not my fault you deserve them.

I never said they were not needed. I just said because a handful of episodes through 700+ episodes does not immediately mean there are no Marines or Army equivilants.

Then why don't you counter all the canon evidence and show us where they are.

[Captain Seafort]

I just said because a handful of episodes through 700+ episodes does not immediately mean there are no Marines or Army equivilants.

Given the context of some of those episodes (AR-558 and Nor the Battle to the Strong...), yes it bloody does.

[McAvoy]

So... we saw no shields in fleet battles. So we can assume that they just turned them off?

[Deepcrush]

They tend to turn off on their own after they get hit enough. They're just cute like that.

[McAvoy]

Right...one shot kills right?