The issue I have is whether or not the visions were intelligence at all, or simply hallucinations. It's clear that Sisko thought they were visions, but given that all Prophet encounters have taken the form of images of acquaintances talking in riddles, not visions of locusts as metaphors, I think there's a strong degree of doubt that they actually were.Deepcrush wrote:I just grouped these to make it easier. If, as you say, the Visions were caused by the brain damage. Then how valid the visions were is in question. However, that changes the question too "Did the damage make him more open to the Prophets?" In the end, he still acted on information that no one should have known unless informed by the Prophets.
Its remains a matter of intel, he wanted it and was willing to pay the cost. Though to what ends those costs should or could be, we can agree to disagree as a matter of personal choice. If thats fair with you?
Fair enough.I never said that. I said the two are different.
I didn't say anything about whether or not we've done so historically - I pointed out that such actions are illegal under the Geneva Conventions.Good to know that we, in the history of Earth, have never targeted civilians in the effort to end a war...
Again, Halabja sent a message as well. However, messages of that nature are not acceptable in the civilised world.You've proved nothing. His plan wasn't to let them all go happy and free. His plan was to send a message. His plan worked. End of story unless you have something to throw in that changes this fact.
Oh people die all right. How exactly does this excuse the mass murder of civilians?Errr, wrong! It doesn't work that way. Get a f***ing life. If you can't get your nose out of a book and into the real world. This isn't wiki, its war. People die, accept that much or just don't get involved in anything where the topic of war may come up.
If the child's attacking you, then they're not a civilian - they're a combatant. If the child's being used as a human shield, try shooting round them if possible, but if they die it was the individual who used them as a shield who is legally responsible for their deaths. How exactly do these examples relate to Sisko directly targeting the civilian population of the Maquis world. They weren't attacking him, nor were they being used as a shield by any who were.A child, strapped with explosives or being used as a human shield, is still a threat. Threats are to be removed, there and then. No questions, no letting them walk into your base or into a school since you can't do the job. Do what you have to do, then go to your tent and cry about it later. Really thats all you can do. Shoot now, cry afterwards and if you ever get over it. You may be able to stomach a joke about it or some dumbass civi telling you what they believe is right should be more important then the lives of your squad or platoon or just the real world in general.
This does not excuse the genocide he attempted to commit.Sisko did what he did in order to stop genocide.
Killing the enemy is fine. Murdering a bunch of civilians who never fired a shot at you and have fuck-all to to with the war other than happening to live in the combat zone is not fine.Only in texts books. Real combat, no one gives a f**k. You kill the enemy, or they kill you and your friends beside you. Simple as can be. Sisko made a combat decision, and it worked. Again, simple as can be.
1) Which law did I ever say a thing about breaking?Since more people died do to enslavement then did Sisko's actions. If one is okay, then they are both okay. If you get to break a law, so does he. The difference is that what was done here was for a better reason then "because we can".
2) Where did I ever say a thing about slavery?
Being proud of what my country accomplished is an entirely different kettle of fish from letting it off scott-free from genocide.But, it got the job done didn't it. England got to be a part of the greatest genocide in human history. Considering you praise all the times in which England violated its own laws and codes of "honor". Why is this any different? Shouldn't you be proud of all this?
