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hold on...I'll go look for them.
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the Conclusion of Shielding Tech:
SDN wrote:Federation shield technology is clearly in the low megaton range for resistance. The evidence for this is simply overwhelming, regardless of whether you employ the TM or not, and since Imperial shields are rated at a much higher level, there is really no contest at all. The high-megaton and gigaton-class missile weapons of a patrol craft like Slave-1 could effortlessly destroy any Federation warship with a direct hit, to say nothing of the much heavier weapons on an Imperial capital ship.
here's one where he claims that the lasers used by SW would be effecive:
Contrary to popular belief, electromagnetic weapons can be quite effective against Federation shields.
Here he makes the case that Fed Shields are dramaticly weaker than they are:
Federation shield power requirements are in the gigawatt range as of late TOS.
The Constitution had nearly 600,000 TeraJoules of energy. A TJ = 1 TeraWatt-second

Here's an example of the "Dramatic canon I've been talking about:
A "phase resonant pulse" at the "right frequency" will completely bypass GCS shields24.
It's highly likely that the phase resonant pulse idea was put in so the GCS wouldn't utterly dominate the enemy, and they could escape allowing the plot to continue.

ect. ect.
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Lt. Staplic wrote:the Conclusion of Shielding Tech:
SDN wrote:Federation shield technology is clearly in the low megaton range for resistance. The evidence for this is simply overwhelming, regardless of whether you employ the TM or not, and since Imperial shields are rated at a much higher level, there is really no contest at all. The high-megaton and gigaton-class missile weapons of a patrol craft like Slave-1 could effortlessly destroy any Federation warship with a direct hit, to say nothing of the much heavier weapons on an Imperial capital ship.
Yes. And?
here's one where he claims that the lasers used by SW would be effecive:
Contrary to popular belief, electromagnetic weapons can be quite effective against Federation shields.
Lasers are indeed effective against Trek shields.

Also, while debating the pros and cons of lasers versus shields is fine, remember the versus ban and keep Star Wars out of it. This debate is close enough to the line as it is.
Here he makes the case that Fed Shields are dramaticly weaker than they are:
Federation shield power requirements are in the gigawatt range as of late TOS.
The Constitution had nearly 600,000 TeraJoules of energy. A TJ = 1 TeraWatt-second
1) Prove it.

2) Assuming 1) is achieved, you do, I hope, understand that power requirements and energy dissipation rates are not the same thing.

Here's an example of the "Dramatic canon I've been talking about:
A "phase resonant pulse" at the "right frequency" will completely bypass GCS shields24.
It's highly likely that the phase resonant pulse idea was put in so the GCS wouldn't utterly dominate the enemy, and they could escape allowing the plot to continue.
So what? The fact remains that this tactic is an effective method of disabling GCS shields.
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Upon reading over this last series of posts, I thing we should simpy adjourn, it's obvious we have different opinions and I for one don't really want to cross into a verses debate...agreed?
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Lt. Staplic wrote:Upon reading over this last series of posts, I thing we should simpy adjourn, it's obvious we have different opinions
If everyone had the same opinion about everything, then this forum would be a fraction the size it is, and extremely boring. Having different opinions is no reason to abandon a debate - indeed, it's the very reason they occur in the first place.

If you wish to concede the point then that's fine with me.
I for one don't really want to cross into a verses debate...agreed?
Given that they're banned that's never going happen. Discussing the issued raised, such as the finer points of weapons, shields and speed, is entirely kosher.
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We're not discussing any versus matter. We're discussing the validity of evidence used on another site which just happens to be orientated towards the VS debate. We've had a discussion on SDN before, though it was for a different matter.
the Conclusion of Shielding Tech:
Federation shield technology is clearly in the low megaton range for resistance. The evidence for this is simply overwhelming, regardless of whether you employ the TM or not, and since Imperial shields are rated at a much higher level, there is really no contest at all. The high-megaton and gigaton-class missile weapons of a patrol craft like Slave-1 could effortlessly destroy any Federation warship with a direct hit, to say nothing of the much heavier weapons on an Imperial capital ship.
Yes? So? Can you point out where he selectively uses or ignores canon? Stating "well his conclusion is different to mine" doesn't mean he's being dishonest in his methology. Find specific quotes that you think he's screwing with and voice your complaints about them.
here's one where he claims that the lasers used by SW would be effecive:
1) This is a VS topic, and shall not be discussed any more unless the discussion is about the validity of the quotes he uses or of his methodology.

2) He's explained elsewhere on his site as to why he concludes SW lasers would be effective against Fed shields.
The Constitution had nearly 600,000 TeraJoules of energy. A TJ = 1 TeraWatt-second
Source?
It's highly likely that the phase resonant pulse idea was put in so the GCS wouldn't utterly dominate the enemy, and they could escape allowing the plot to continue.
Irrelevant. His statement is still correct and true to canon.
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You going to respond to the points we've adressed, or are you conceding?
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I'll conciede, I can't find the essay's that I read the last time I was on here, and appeareantly if I did it wouldn't matter.
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Jebus Rochey & Seafort, you guys picked a lousy time to come on board at SDN. what with the ridiculous levels of personal drama and lack of leadership at the moment.
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Seafort's been on a while now. I only recently realised the ban on free email accounts had been lifted in favour of a maths/science question.
But yeah, I see what you mean. I'm just going to keep my head down and stay out of the line of fire for now. :)
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Rochey wrote:Seafort's been on a while now. I only recently realised the ban on free email accounts had been lifted in favour of a maths/science question.
But yeah, I see what you mean. I'm just going to keep my head down and stay out of the line of fire for now. :)
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JudgeKing wrote:
Do you know the answer to it?
Yeah, a calculator.

Edit: They've gone back to mod approved registration for now thanks to the "invasion" earlier in the week so I don't think their doing the question anymore.
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Heh, looks like I managed to slip in while the gate was open. :)

Maybe they could have gone for a harder question? The one they had was a simple distance/time thing. Try something like a quadratic equation. That should weed out the trolls as it's not basic maths.
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I also managed to get in. I used the named Daedalus-01.
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Rochey wrote:Heh, looks like I managed to slip in while the gate was open. :)

Maybe they could have gone for a harder question? The one they had was a simple distance/time thing. Try something like a quadratic equation. That should weed out the trolls as it's not basic maths.

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