Mikey wrote:Yeah, with diabetes you really have to watch carb intake as much or more than actual sugar. Alcohol is funny; it will depress your blood sugar while you're drinking, and the the next day... wham! All the alcohol turns to simple carbs.
Hmmm... sounds like a good idea for a few people around me...
Mark wrote:I kind of miss being able to have "a" beer. Put my NA program says NO. Alcohol is a drug and ANY drug could unleash my addiction again. No thanks.
NA? Frankly AA and its peers is a colossal crock of shite, if you are a legitimate alcoholic ok. But for those of use who used it to drown the pain and memories of a horrific career than you are addressing symptom of the problem rather than the actual problem. It's no secret that I used to be an alcoholic (as in I'm recovered and done with it), it holds no power over me. In fact I'm having a cooler right now and I'm fine.
AA simply swaps the crutch of booze for the crutch of the Lawd and sets it up so you punish yourself continuously for a mistake. I know guys that were alky's 25 years ago that still punish themselves.
Well, the underlying cause is that I'm an addict. It's that simple. My drug use was just a symptom of the same problem. But it was a convienient solution that was really easy, at first. But the reason why I cannot drink, is that it tells us that one is to many and a thousand is never enough. That sums me up pretty well. I just CANNOT fathom why somebody would drink and NOT get schnookerd. Same for everything else. And therein lays the problem.
BTW, it is a spiritual, not religious program. Most of my friends are athiests.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
Mark wrote:
BTW, it is a spiritual, not religious program. Most of my friends are athiests.
I'm glad your's is. In my area AA/NA is very religious as in you cannot cure your problem without accepting that you need to put your trust in a "higher power".
Mark wrote:
BTW, it is a spiritual, not religious program. Most of my friends are athiests.
I'm glad your's is. In my area AA/NA is very religious as in you cannot cure your problem without accepting that you need to put your trust in a "higher power".
Well, the "Higher Power" is part of the program, BUT, you get to chose what said higher power is. The Athiests mostly use the fellowship as a higher power, a couple use the ocean, one felt Big Bird was a good fit, and yet one other felt the gentle spirit of Andre the Giant was an effective higher power. (I think he watched a certain episode of House) All a higher power is, is something that is loving, caring, and more powerful than yourself, which when we come into the program is most everything and everyone, as we are pretty broken.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
Mark wrote:
Well, the "Higher Power" is part of the program, BUT, you get to chose what said higher power is. The Athiests mostly use the fellowship as a higher power, a couple use the ocean, one felt Big Bird was a good fit, and yet one other felt the gentle spirit of Andre the Giant was an effective higher power. (I think he watched a certain episode of House) All a higher power is, is something that is loving, caring, and more powerful than yourself, which when we come into the program is most everything and everyone, as we are pretty broken.
Yeah, that went out the window when they pulled out the lords prayer at the meeting.
Mark wrote:
Well, the "Higher Power" is part of the program, BUT, you get to chose what said higher power is. The Athiests mostly use the fellowship as a higher power, a couple use the ocean, one felt Big Bird was a good fit, and yet one other felt the gentle spirit of Andre the Giant was an effective higher power. (I think he watched a certain episode of House) All a higher power is, is something that is loving, caring, and more powerful than yourself, which when we come into the program is most everything and everyone, as we are pretty broken.
Yeah, that went out the window when they pulled out the lords prayer at the meeting.
That's AA.
NA we close with the the third step prayer which goes
"Many of us have said, Take our will and our lives. Guide us in our recovery, and show us how to live."
No mention of ANY God.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
"You've all been selected for this mission because you each have a special skill. Professor Hawking, John Leslie, Phil Neville, the Wu-Tang Clan, Usher, the Sugar Puffs Monster and Daniel Day-Lewis! Welcome to Operation MindFuck!"
It's an accepted belief that focusing on any "one God" even though we do use the term God sometimes to describe a higher power, restricts the potiential recovery of those of different faiths. Example, when somebody who is a Budist is trying to hear a message, and some guy is up there yelling how Jesus keeps him clean, you limit what the Budist can use. By keeping our own personal beliefs just that, personal, we allow others with different beliefs to get more of our experience, strength, and hope.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
Mark wrote:...I just CANNOT fathom why somebody would drink and NOT get schnookerd...
Pain. Plain and simple: I can't afford prescription meds, I have no insurance, and I'm in constant excruciating pain. I never drink with the thought "I'm going to get sh*t-faced" in my head. I just drink until the pain becomes manageable. Excedrin just really doesn't cover massive ligament and cartilage damage coupled with wisdom teeth coming in.
Quite honestly, I'd rather have a V-8. And then go run a marathon.
I can't fathom why anyone would drink for any other reason...
There is only one way of avoiding the war – that is the overthrow of this society. However, as we are too weak for this task, the war is inevitable. -L. Trotsky, 1939
