Picard's Worst Command Decisions

[kostmayer]

5) Not locking Maxwell in the brig when they first caught up with him ("The Wounded")

Thats one ship that could have done with Troi's services. A man in Maxwells state of mind should never have been left in command of a Starship. I would assume that Captains of Submarines carrying Nuclear weapons are required to have psychological examinations - wouldn't Starship Captains require them as well?

[Deepcrush]

5) Not locking Maxwell in the brig when they first caught up with him ("The Wounded")

Thats one ship that could have done with Troi's services. A man in Maxwells state of mind should never have been left in command of a Starship. I would assume that Captains of Submarines carrying Nuclear weapons are required to have psychological examinations - wouldn't Starship Captains require them as well?

The thing of it is. When a commanding officer who is respected and or loved by his personnel goes off the hilt. Often enough, those personnel will gladly follow him out of loyalty. Misguided or not, its the way of the warrior.

[kostmayer]

I have wondered why his first officer didn't intervene. Did he agree with Maxwell, or did he think Maxwell was acting on Starfleet orders (the Admiral breifing Picard did say the ship had gone silent). How much does "I was just obeying orders" excuse you from?

[Deepcrush]

I have wondered why his first officer didn't intervene. Did he agree with Maxwell, or did he think Maxwell was acting on Starfleet orders (the Admiral breifing Picard did say the ship had gone silent). How much does "I was just obeying orders" excuse you from?

Likely options are of two. Either the first officer didn't know and believe the action was under UFP approval. Or he didn't care and he agreed and there for followed his captain in a mission most likely thought to be a one way trip.

[Atekimogus]

I wonder if his fate ever was explored in one of the novels given that altough Maxwell acted on hearsay and rumours he was actually right. I wonder if they let him off the hook during the dominion war.

As for Picard allowing him to return on his own, altough a bad decision in hindsight, I think it is not so preposterous as some might think it is. True his actions were horrible etc. but I never had the feeling that he was a nutjob. (And I must admit I am guilty of enjoying a federation ship kicking cardassian butt even though it happened only with dots on a screen )

[Granitehewer]

lol i miss the real deep, not this civil mild mannered filing clerk of an imposter :-p

[Mark]

because there were Borg there in the 22nd Century in any timeline

This is what I'm objecting to. Without the attacks of BoBW and FC (the latter in particular) there wouldn't have been any Borg on Earth in the 22nd century.

Another example supporting the theory of an alternate timeline..........maybe leading to the Abramsverse (see ENT thread for details)

[Sonic Glitch]

because there were Borg there in the 22nd Century in any timeline

This is what I'm objecting to. Without the attacks of BoBW and FC (the latter in particular) there wouldn't have been any Borg on Earth in the 22nd century.

Another example supporting the theory of an alternate timeline..........maybe leading to the Abramsverse (see ENT thread for details)

Or is the presence of borg in the 22nd century the cause of BoBW and FC? Also, weren't the Borg already scooping up border outposts? So the Borg were already at least aware there were civilizations in the area.

[Lt. Staplic]

because there were Borg there in the 22nd Century in any timeline

This is what I'm objecting to. Without the attacks of BoBW and FC (the latter in particular) there wouldn't have been any Borg on Earth in the 22nd century.

We don't know that....it could be an unavoidable eventuality of the conflict. Eventually the Federation and the Borg would have become aware of each other, in fact there's evidence that the Borg knew of the Federation before "Q Who" which would have eventually led to the continued conflict between the Borg and the Federation that could lead to the events of FC just at a later date...

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

All right, no new ones. If no one has any new ones, I'll be sending the list in Thursday night. Keep on discussing, though.

[Deepcrush]

lol i miss the real deep, not this civil mild mannered filing clerk of an imposter :-p

Say something stupid and I'll kick your ass back to the stone age.

[Deepcrush]

The Borg/UFP conflict ended up being for the best.

It put Sisko in place at DS9, opened up for the advancement and upgrade of the SF, the designing of the Defiant Class and put the UFP on notice that it couldn't sit on its hands anymore.

[Coalition]

Or is the presence of borg in the 22nd century the cause of BoBW and FC? Also, weren't the Borg already scooping up border outposts? So the Borg were already at least aware there were civilizations in the area.

In the manner of a biologist taking samples, yes. The Borg just sent a ship there to analyze local biological and technological distintiveness, then move on to the next project. They recorded the data, saw nothing of note, and left.

Later on, they detected a ship based on one of those technologies that had managed to travel an obscene distance using an unknown star drive. They analyzed the ship, found no technology that could simulate the drive, and then the ship left. This intrigued the Borg, so they sent another probe. This probe was destroyed by a program flaw, so the Borg refitted their ships, and sent a second, with a Queen assigned to it. This one apparently was destroyed by large amounts of firepower, but the Sphere was jettisoned. Contact with the Sphere was lost after it initiated time travel (this is the older timeline, before First Contact).

In the old timeline, the Borg is likely to send more ships next time, until it has learned all the data about the stardrive used (aka Q snapping his fingers), then leave. If it suffers damage, it will merely stop the damage (destroy attacking ships), and utilize available raw materials to replace losses (assimilate).

[SomosFuga]

When someone like Worf tells you to abandon ship rather then stand and fight, it means its time to leave.

Oh yeah, i would do that. BTW i love that sequence.

This intrigued the Borg, so they sent another probe. This probe was destroyed by a program flaw, so the Borg refitted their ships, and sent a second, with a Queen assigned to it.

That's some probe.

[SomosFuga]

I will take not releasing Hugh with the anti-Borg virus in "I, Borg" and going alone to the Scimitar in "Nemesis".

About hailing the dyson's sphere, come on, that's his job.
Of course you could send a probe but then we wouldn't have any Star Trek, wouldn't we?