Should the Yuuzhan Vong have done so well in the war...

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What would have bee interesting is if the YV FTL drives and potentially STL drives (Dovin Basals) functioned as mini-Interdictors for Star Wars hyperdrives. However instead of preventing hyperdrive operation, they cause the ship to be diverted based on the strength of the field vs the arriving ship. Instead of coming out of hyperspace at your selected destination, you would be off slightly. The more Dovin Basals present relative to the mass of the ship, the farther off you will be.

This allows the YV an initial advantage, where NR fleets that try to engage wind up scattered all over the volume, allowing the YV ships to engage isolated ships, killing them, and moving on. Larger ships are less affected by the Dovins, meaning a capital ship will arrive at the selected coordinates, while its escorts are scattered. This delays fleet operations as the fleet has to reform then proceed to its next destination. Smaller ships trying to jump into YV territory are knocked far off course (lots of YV ships in their territory meaning lots of jamming), or have to make lots of minihops.

This will affect the NR badly, given the fighter preference among the Jedi.

Over time, the NR steadily develops better and more reactive computers and hyperdrives to reduce the effect of the Dovin Basals, and the shipyards are churning out larger vessels to reduce the effect. The smaller NR ships and FTL fighters are steadily phased out of attack formations, as they will be diverted helplessly off course, while heavier ships engage in gun duels. As the losses mount, the castes start to question the Warriors and Supreme Warmaster, but the first time an Eclipse kills a Worldship with a superlaser blast will actually reunite the YV, as they see what will happen if they start to lose.

The key for Nom Anor would have been deploying bioagents onto several worlds, where the agents take over the planetary ecology, then release various diseases to attack the locals. This keeps the NR busy with plague treatment ships going all over the place, instead of combining to face an eneny fleet. Once the YV fleet is actually on the move, the delayed activation plagues start going off, crippling NR forces as crews come down sick with various illnesses.
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Or the NR learns to be the bastards they have to be and decide to kill the YV before going back to deal with the plagues.
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They should have thrown around more vague numbers too. Often inn the books they'd talk about a little known EU race that had their world wiped out but they never would make up worlds AFAIK in the causaulty numbers or say they just loss the several hundred system of made-up-race. It seemed ike they were trying to tie up all the lose ends but in the end just made it seem like the Vong were system hoping.
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365 trillion dead seems like a nasty cost. Thats hundreds of times the death toll from the Empire. I bet at some point along the way a lot of people were wishing for the "Return of the Empire".
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Actually, Deep, in some of the later books, some characters did wish the Empire was still in charge.
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Well there you go... a point made even more powerful. Seems fitting though. People often hate those who lead them but have no idea what they would truly want in place of it. The Empire was cruel but far better organized then the NR. Had they have been in power at the time of the YV War, it would have been over as soon as it started.
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Considering the treatment the Jedi are getting... sad, but true. Honestly, the SW citizenry are getting as bad as Marvel-616! :bangwall:
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Deepcrush wrote:Well there you go... a point made even more powerful. Seems fitting though. People often hate those who lead them but have no idea what they would truly want in place of it. The Empire was cruel but far better organized then the NR. Had they have been in power at the time of the YV War, it would have been over as soon as it started.
Maybe not as soon as it started, I'm sure the Empire would have been willing to let some of the more troublesome species get wiped out (and Rebel pockets/sympathizers/other troublemakers). Not to mention showing the need for a strong military and an ordered galaxy, to keep an eye out for other YV fleets that could be proceeding through interstellar space to attack the galaxy.

Let a major threat appear, let it threaten everyone, let the rumors build, then show the Empire fighting hard. You don't want continuous victories or people will wonder why the war isn't over, but a steady stream of battles that show the Empire's determination to protect people. Add in pictures of various people who are disabled due to the YV weaponry, so everyone starts to harbor a deep hatred of them. Given the YV preference for using pain and crippling injury on their prisoners, it won't take long. Make sure the people recovered are sent all across the galaxy, so no planet starts to doubt.

Use that threat as well, so you can turn Rebel saboteurs over to the general population, and the Rebels become terrorists allied with the YV who are trying to enslave the people of the galaxy. Ditto for slavers and drug smugglers. You could even have an Imperial ship spotting the Rebel fleet, and 'drafting' it for 'the duration of the emergency'. Make sure to only let the Rebels shoot from long range, as you don't want them getting their hands on YV technology. Register them as "Local Defense Patrol #56981" so they can get some supplies for repairs.

Cue several montages with people talking about how the only good Yuuzhie is a dead Yuuzhie, or different people all saying, "I'm doing my part", ranging from a Fleet Captain, to Fighter pilots ("Who wants to live forever"), to the factory worker building weapons to kill the YV forces with.
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Watch much Starship Troopers? :P

But really thats a good idea. A great way to play up to the crowd. Which is the most important thing there is in politics. If the people start to dislike you to much, you're on the outs. If the people have to choose between a cruel but livable Empire or the YV... they're going to take the Empire.

Its also a great chance to rewrite some history and SOPs. If any of the changes work then the Empire looks good. If they don't then "well the war makes things tough" and then just switch back.
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