Star Trek XI

[Sionnach Glic]

Ya...they made a movie about it right?

Unfortunately, yes.

Personaly, I prefered Tora, Tora, Tora! to that Hollywood crap version we got a few years ago.

[Mikey]

I pray that you're just trying to be funny. However, considering the tremendous loss of lives and the emotions thus engendered - to this day, survivors of the Arizona are commonly cremated upon their deaths and have their remains taken by Navy divers to rest with thier comrades aboard their ship - it's not really a great topic about which to joke.

Now, did you really believe that I meant a place called "Peral Harbor" rather than much more likely event of a simple typographical error?


BTW - Tora, Tora, Tora was an absolute classic.

[Aaron]

I pray that you're just trying to be funny. However, considering the tremendous loss of lives and the emotions thus engendered - to this day, survivors of the Arizona are commonly cremated upon their deaths and have their remains taken by Navy divers to rest with thier comrades aboard their ship - it's not really a great topic about which to joke.

Now, did you really believe that I meant a place called "Peral Harbor" rather than much more likely event of a simple typographical error?


BTW - Tora, Tora, Tora was an absolute classic.

All that is true Mikey but do you honestly expect everyone in your country to have reverance to the day and it's symbolism? WWII is passing out of living memory (and that is unfortunate) and will some be nothing but a historical low point in American history.

And yes Tora, Tora, Tora is a classic and a masterfully made film.

[Sionnach Glic]

All that is true Mikey but do you honestly expect everyone in your country to have reverance to the day and it's symbolism? WWII is passing out of living memory (and that is unfortunate) and will some be nothing but a historical low point in American history.

*sigh* Why is it that people that live in countries that had no part in the Pearl Harbour attack not only know all about the incident, but also observe it with far more respect than the majority of the inhabitants of that country?

[Deepcrush]

How is WW2 a low point for the US? That makes no sense at all. The US funded a world war, fought against the Empire of Japan, NAZI Germany and Italy plus became a world super power, ended the great depression and built friendships with other nations that last until this very day.

[Aaron]

*sigh* Why is it that people that live in countries that had no part in the Pearl Harbour attack not only know all about the incident, but also observe it with far more respect than the majority of the inhabitants of that country?

Because the avergae citizen of any country is a boob.

How is WW2 a low point for the US? That makes no sense at all. The US funded a world war, fought against the Empire of Japan, NAZI Germany and Italy plus became a world super power, ended the great depression and built friendships with other nations that last until this very day.

The Pearl Harbour ambush was a low point, not the whole war.

[Sionnach Glic]

How is WW2 a low point for the US? That makes no sense at all. The US funded a world war, fought against the Empire of Japan, NAZI Germany and Italy plus became a world super power, ended the great depression and built friendships with other nations that last until this very day.

Because, to put it simply, the US got kicked in the balls while it wasn't looking and lost many good men and women that day, along with being dragged into a war that would cause the deaths of even more.
Of course, the US joining the war did eventualy work out for the greater good for all those involved (well, except the Nazis and Japanese, of course), but that doesn't stop December 7th being one hell of a bad day.

[Deepcrush]

All that is true Mikey but do you honestly expect everyone in your country to have reverance to the day and it's symbolism? WWII is passing out of living memory (and that is unfortunate) and will some be nothing but a historical low point in American history.

*sigh* Why is it that people that live in countries that had no part in the Pearl Harbour attack not only know all about the incident, but also observe it with far more respect than the majority of the inhabitants of that country?

Depends on where you live. Dec 7th here (where I live) is still met with half mast and prayer. Though, I know of someplace on the west coast that down played it to avoid problems for the asian population.

[Deepcrush]

The Pearl Harbour ambush was a low point, not the whole war.

I wouldn't count that as a low point. It was a day that brought the nation together more so then anyother time in history.

Because, to put it simply, the US got kicked in the balls while it wasn't looking and lost many good men and women that day, along with being dragged into a war that would cause the deaths of even more.

We planned on joining the war anyways, this just made it happen sooner then the US had planned for.

[Sionnach Glic]

I think you misunderstand what we're saying:
While the consequences of the attack on Pearl Harbour did, in the end, work out for the better for both the US and Europe, it's considered a tradgedy due to the fact that they lost around 2,500 people.

[Deepcrush]

Ah, I thought you guys were talking about a low point for the nation. Not just a tragic day.

[Aaron]

Ah, I thought you guys were talking about a low point for the nation. Not just a tragic day.

Nope.

[Mikey]

Deep - I'm sure Kendall meant, as Rochey said, that the "low point" was the tragic and unexpected loss of lives.

Rochey - to answer your question: because people suck. We are more concerned in education with lowering standards in an attempt to be "fair" and in order to provide results compliant with "No Child Left Behind (or properly educated)" than in actually teaching kids what's what. Just using WWII as an example: by the time I was a freshman in high school, I could identify Claire Chennault, "Vinegar" Joe Stilwell, James Doolittle, the island of Guadalcanal, Mt. Suribachi, Erwin Rommel, etc., etc. Now, we have kids who don't even know who Winston Churchill was.

[Sionnach Glic]

Now, we have kids who don't even know who Winston Churchill was

Please tell me you're joking.

[Mikey]

If that made you sad, this'll make you cry: there are kids IN ENGLAND who don't know specifically (by more than just name) who Winston Churchill was.