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I'd morally be...iffy about it but do the "pragmatist thing" and push my nagging moral centre into a box somewhere while I got the job done. One Romulan senator, a few particularly unpleasant looking guards and my conscience are a small price to pay for an incalculable number of sentient throughout 2 quadrants.

Reliant121 wrote:I'd morally be...iffy about it but do the "pragmatist thing" and push my nagging moral centre into a box somewhere while I got the job done. One Romulan senator, a few particularly unpleasant looking guards and my conscience are a small price to pay for an incalculable number of sentient throughout 2 quadrants.

"Garek was right about one thing..."

Captain Seafort wrote:

McAvoy wrote:We don't know about the military might of the other neutral powers like the Tholians or the Gorn

Given that their nonagression pacts with the Dominion were treated with concern rather than shrugs or total panic, they (and the Breen for that matter) were probably close to the relative strength of the UK and France today.

Without them, I think the Feds and the Klingons would have lost the war.

Not just "would have lost" but "were loosing". Remember the casualty lists Sisko was going through, and the fall of Betazed in ITPM.

I agree that the Tholians and Gorn are nowhere compared to the Feds or the Klingons, but combine the two it would certainly help. It would at least force the Dominion to devote some of their attention away from the main lines.

I am not disagreeing with you, but losing a single member planet out of 150 isn't all that bad. It's also war so you are bound to have huge casualty lists. I mean it would be like if the Germans and British were fighting an all out Battle of Jutland every day. Or looking at the casualty lists from the trenches in WW1.

McAvoy wrote:

Captain Seafort wrote:

McAvoy wrote:We don't know about the military might of the other neutral powers like the Tholians or the Gorn

Given that their nonagression pacts with the Dominion were treated with concern rather than shrugs or total panic, they (and the Breen for that matter) were probably close to the relative strength of the UK and France today.

Without them, I think the Feds and the Klingons would have lost the war.

Not just "would have lost" but "were loosing". Remember the casualty lists Sisko was going through, and the fall of Betazed in ITPM.

I agree that the Tholians and Gorn are nowhere compared to the Feds or the Klingons, but combine the two it would certainly help. It would at least force the Dominion to devote some of their attention away from the main lines.

I am not disagreeing with you, but losing a single member planet out of 150 isn't all that bad. It's also war so you are bound to have huge casualty lists. I mean it would be like if the Germans and British were fighting an all out Battle of Jutland every day. Or looking at the casualty lists from the trenches in WW1.

I don't think Betazed was the only member planet to fall. Certainly planets and other outposts were being destroyed left and right (hopefully by both sides) during the bits of the war we didn't see in DS9. The impact of Betazed seemed to be that it was a major member planet close to the core, and from there they had access to the other Federation core worlds.

To my Knowledge Betazed was the biggest and most important of the Federation member worlds to fall, maybe not the same as the UK or France falling, maybe more like Spain.

McAvoy wrote:They needed the Romulans. We don't know about the military might of the other neutral powers like the Tholians or the Gorn, bu we do know the Romulans are a superpower comparable to the Federation themselves.

The other reason they would need the Romulans, is the Dominion was using Romulan territory to strike at Federation systems. So you have the regular amount of Federation ships on the Romulan border, plus extra ships needed to deal with Dominion raiders.

Now the Romulans join the war on your side. You no longer have to post ships to deal with Dominion raiders, freeing them up. You can reduce your strength against the Romulans, as their forces are nominally allied to you and are diverting to the Cardassian border for offensive strikes. You gain the Romulans' support, and the Dominion has to divert ships to protect against Romulan cloaked strikes.

The death of one senator produced major changes on the nature of the Dominion War.

Coalition wrote:The death of one senator produced major changes on the nature of the Dominion War.

Vreenak was a smug prick anyways. It's not like some really nice person was killed.

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Coalition wrote:The death of one senator produced major changes on the nature of the Dominion War.

Vreenak was a smug prick anyways. It's not like some really nice person was killed.

Right, because that's how morality should be defined.

Just as well it isn't or the casualty rate among us lot would be astronomical.

Mikey wrote:

Tsukiyumi wrote:

Coalition wrote:The death of one senator produced major changes on the nature of the Dominion War.

Vreenak was a smug prick anyways. It's not like some really nice person was killed.

Right, because that's how morality should be defined.

Does make you feel SLIGHTLY better bout killing him though.

Mkaes you feel a lot better about doing it, but that doesnt change morality unfortunatly.

Morality is the right of the civilians who damn you after you've done your job. Not the soldier's who defend it and enforce it.

I'd be quite happy to worry about the morality and hang my head high in shame about it...


AFTER the war has been won.

Indeed. I don't think there's any debate over the fact of assassinating someone being wrong; the question is how that compares to letting how many more die by NOT doing performing the assassination.

Mikey wrote:Indeed. I don't think there's any debate over the fact of assassinating someone being wrong; the question is how that compares to letting how many more die by NOT doing performing the assassination.

And in the end, Sisko understood that.