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Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 1:48 pm
by Tyyr
Harry was as close to a science officer as Voyager had until Seven showed up.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:25 am
by Reliant121
They seemed to both act as science officer interchangeably. I'd personally go with Kim, but I have no reason or explanation for it.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:54 pm
by McAvoy
Harry Kim and I have no real explanation for it.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:12 pm
by Foxbat
I've dabbled in participating in and leading Star Trek group story writing in my past. A person sets up a writing crew with themselves as captain, and others taking on various ship positions and the group together writes the missions somewhat collaboratively. Invariably, the chief science officer slot has a lot of 'turnover' because of the general vague nature of the position on any given ship and people lose interest. It's an odd phenomenon...

writing group examples:

http://www.obsidianfleet.net/

http://bravofleet.com/

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:46 pm
by alexmann
Memory Alpha lists the Voyager's science officer to be Samantha Wildman.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:38 pm
by Mikey
alexmann wrote:Memory Alpha lists the Voyager's science officer to be Samantha Wildman.
What source do they cite?

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:46 pm
by alexmann
Elogium.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:48 pm
by Mikey
Hmm. I'd have to check the script, but if that's in the ep it's a pretty open-and-shut case.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:01 pm
by Captain Seafort
It's the ep that I raised in the original thread in DITL that sparked this one: she was clearly acting as science officer on the bridge. People objected to that logic.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:03 pm
by Mikey
Personally, my objection was that seeing her function as a science officer doesn't make her the science officer, read: member of senior staff and regularly able to command a department. In any event, was she referred to in the ep as "the" science officer, head of sciences, or anything similar?

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:24 pm
by Captain Seafort
Mikey wrote:member of senior staff
Why should being a member of the senior staff be a prerequisite for being science officer?
regularly able to command a department
She was the senior blueshirt aboard, on a ship where the Operations Manager was an Ensign and the 2iC a Lt Commander. Happy?

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:42 pm
by Mikey
Captain Seafort wrote:Why should being a member of the senior staff be a prerequisite for being science officer?
As I said, it's not a prerequisite for being a science officer. I can't really imagine how the chief of a department is anything other than senior, however. Was Wildman ever consulted by the captain or her court for her advice in a steering committee? Was she ever consulted on the operation of "her" department, or advised on how to best run it?
Captain Seafort wrote:She was the senior blueshirt aboard, on a ship where the Operations Manager was an Ensign and the 2iC a Lt Commander. Happy?
Yes, rather - I just had a very nice game with the kids. As to this discussion, however...
The fact of a number of people being lost in the transfer to the DQ is both well-known and completely irrelevant.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:26 pm
by stitch626
I seem to remember Wildman being in those briefings... but then again so was Neelix.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:27 pm
by Graham Kennedy
But was she A science officer or THE science officer? Surely any officer who works in a science department would be considered as a "Starfleet Science Officer", but that doesn't make them the department head.

Re: Who would you consider Voyager's science officer?

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:31 pm
by Captain Seafort
Mikey wrote:As I said, it's not a prerequisite for being a science officer. I can't really imagine how the chief of a department is anything other than senior, however.
You mean like Neela Darren, who was head of stellar cartography, outranked Worf, and was not part of the senior staff.
Was Wildman ever consulted by the captain or her court for her advice in a steering committee? Was she ever consulted on the operation of "her" department, or advised on how to best run it?
On occasion. Rarely, but she was occasionally consulted. The key problem was that Janeway was both a science branch officer herself and prone to micromanagement, so she tended to refer to herself (as usual) rather than Wildman.
The fact of a number of people being lost in the transfer to the DQ is both well-known and completely irrelevant.
Indeed, so why do you mention it?