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Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:46 pm
by Captain Seafort
Sonic Glitch wrote:He said it could have been a three way tie, but this film got the "bonus points" for the spot. Also, if he's scaling them versus the other 9, wouldn't the scale be 1-10 as a 0-10 scale makes it seem like 11 things are being compared?
11 films are being compared - the point of these reviews is to lead up to neoTrek.

To those trumpeting Nemesis, TFF beats it hands down, thanks to having some of the best scenes in Trek amid the dross.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:27 pm
by Sonic Glitch
Captain Seafort wrote:
Sonic Glitch wrote:He said it could have been a three way tie, but this film got the "bonus points" for the spot. Also, if he's scaling them versus the other 9, wouldn't the scale be 1-10 as a 0-10 scale makes it seem like 11 things are being compared?
11 films are being compared - the point of these reviews is to lead up to neoTrek.

To those trumpeting Nemesis, TFF beats it hands down, thanks to having some of the best scenes in Trek amid the dross.
Ah, so he does intend to review nuTrek. Didn't know that, thanks.

As for me, I like Nemesis (do i realize in hindsight there are some plotholes big enough to fly the neoEnterprise through? Yes. Does it affect my enjoyment of the movie? No) but that's a debate neither side will win as it's opinion based, not fact based ;-) While I like it, I understand why most don't.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 5:34 pm
by kostmayer
I've picked holes in Nemesis myself, but I still seem to find myself watching it whenever it is on, albeit in the background.

As for The Final Frontier, it did have a (very) few good parts. In paticular the campfire scene, and Spock standing up to the Klingon Ambassador.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:51 pm
by Reliant121
There is good in all things, even if it is merely a moment.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:36 am
by Tyyr
I don't think he's ranking them, just rating them as usual so he doesn't need to do 0-10 to accommodate everything.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:25 am
by Sonic Glitch
Tyyr wrote:I don't think he's ranking them, just rating them as usual so he doesn't need to do 0-10 to accommodate everything.
Well he has said they're scored relative to the other films. I just don't remember if he said "other 10" or "other 9"

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 5:11 am
by Lazar
Sonic Glitch wrote:Well he has said they're scored relative to the other films. I just don't remember if he said "other 10" or "other 9"
He has clips of STXI in his opening montage; I have no doubt that he's going to review it.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:51 pm
by Captain Seafort
Lazar wrote:
Sonic Glitch wrote:Well he has said they're scored relative to the other films. I just don't remember if he said "other 10" or "other 9"
He has clips of STXI in his opening montage; I have no doubt that he's going to review it.
He also outright stated in the intro to the TMP review that he's "going to review all eleven Trek movies" .

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:17 pm
by Tyyr
Sonic Glitch wrote:Well he has said they're scored relative to the other films. I just don't remember if he said "other 10" or "other 9"
Scored, not ranked.

He could give three of the movies all 5's for being perfectly average.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:08 pm
by Lazar
Tyyr wrote:He could give three of the movies all 5's for being perfectly average.
True - he uses the same 0-10 rating scale for the series, so it doesn't have anything to do with the number of items being compared.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:12 pm
by Mark
I remember watching this movie in theaters on opening weekend when I was a kid. Spocks mysterious and never before mentioned half brother sounded like something from a bad soap opera even then. And I'm not even going to comment on the "Search for God" on a myserious planet :roll:

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:36 am
by Mikey
Yep. To me, "mailed in" sums up this one.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:04 am
by Lazar
Mark wrote:I remember watching this movie in theaters on opening weekend when I was a kid. Spocks mysterious and never before mentioned half brother sounded like something from a bad soap opera even then. And I'm not even going to comment on the "Search for God" on a myserious planet :roll:
My favorite thing is the fact that they can travel to the center of the Galaxy in 6 hours, and Sybok rubs it in by saying "We have traveled far!" Fakegod should have changed his face to the O RLY owl for that one.

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:03 pm
by Mark
But, you gotta admit....we did get ONE good line out of that movie.........

Kirk: "What does God need with a Starship?"

:wink:

Re: SFDebris: The Final Frontier

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:06 pm
by kostmayer
I wonder if anyone at Starfleet Command asked him the same question in TMP when he demanded command of the Enterprise.