Species of the week: Jem’Hadar

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:30 pm

Well thats kinda what they have in the Halo books, so it should work then.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:31 pm

Yeah, probably something multi-limbed.
Although, my mental picture is more along the lines of an ant.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:38 pm

They seem to go for humanoid so i'd think something small is size. Able to move in tight spaces. Very smart with an eye for details. They might also run the G'H breeding programs.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:48 pm

I would guess a species developed like the Vorta; something with somewhat of a natural talent for engineering, then selectively bred/cloned/genetically engineered to be superior.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:58 pm

It sounds like we've got this patted out then.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:29 pm

Yeah, too bad the writers didn't.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:03 pm

Well, you can't expect the folks who get paid to think about this stuff to come up with ideas as useful as the ones we throw away for free, now can you?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:14 pm

That's something that never ceases to amaze me. The fact that a bunch of guys who have probably never written a story in their lives, can flesh out a race that no one on the design team never even thought of.

Captain Peabody · Post by **Captain Peabody** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:20 pm

That's something that never ceases to amaze me. The fact that a bunch of guys who have probably never written a story in their lives, can flesh out a race that no one on the design team never even thought of.

[sarcasm] Yeah, I guess you're just smarter than them. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, though; I'm sure the art department and writers did think of a lot of darn cool ideas; it's just that, in the chaos of television production, not a lot of them came to fruition.
Anyway, it just seems funny to hear a bunch of guys sitting around in comfy computer chairs criticizing the skills of highly-trained professionals working their butts off to entertain us... but I guess we wouldn't be Star Trek fans if we weren't like that, would we?

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:22 pm

The 'Hunters and Tosk' were supposed to be seen later on jem hadar fighters, with the hunters filling the niche of recon, and the tosk, being implied as the species which was the ancestor to the jem hadar, prior to the gene mods, but apparently this was removed for clarity, i can't remember which studio source said that though, so can't cite

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:29 pm

[sarcasm] Yeah, I guess you're just smarter than them. [/sarcasm]

Er, where did I ever say I was? I pointed out the serious lack of creativity (and sometimes, common sense) among the design teams. In fact, I was replying to several other people who were talking about this unknown race, at no point did I ever imply I was smarter than them, merely that some of the people on this site are more creative than these higly paid profesionals. (take a look at DarkOmen's fan work for a good example)

Seriously, though; I'm sure the art department and writers did think of a lot of darn cool ideas; it's just that, in the chaos of television production, not a lot of them came to fruition.

That's my point; they aren't there. Whether this is the fault of the design teams or the writers is irrelevant.

Anyway, it just seems funny to hear a bunch of guys sitting around in comfy computer chairs criticizing the skills of highly-trained professionals working their butts off to entertain us

Actually, its a bunch of guys sitting around in comfy computer chairs criticizing the lack of skills these profesionals have demonstrated. There's a little thing called 'Freedom Of Speech', if I see something stupid then I have the right to say it is stupid.

Post by **Mikey** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:33 pm

I don't think we would have gotten to 10,000 posts if we were all afraid to mention our opinions.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:35 pm

Indeed, god forbid we might actually disagree with one another.

Ain't that right, Teaos?

Captain Peabody · Post by **Captain Peabody** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:48 pm

That's my point; they aren't there. Whether this is the fault of the design teams or the writers is irrelevant.

I think you're missing my point. No matter how cool, the reality of television production usually means that most great ideas go un-used, for the simple reason that, under a television budget and time constraints, they're undoable.
For example, let's say the DS9 writers had come up with the idea for a six-legged insect race to build the Dominion's ships. Now, firstly, unless such a species was absolutely necessary for an upcoming episode's plot, it would go uncreated, no matter how cool it may have been. But say Sisko and co. are going to visit a Dominion shipyard for the next episode, requiring a new race of Dominion ship-builders to be shown.
Then, the design gets taken into the production people, who trim the idea down of all unnecessary expenses; for example, a six-legged alien might require several puppeteers to operate the extra limbs; by eliminating these extra appendages, the crew saves quite a bit of money. Then, the practical affects of creating the costume come into affect, further reducing the 'cool factor' of the alien.
By the time it hits the screen, the design is probably far less interesting and innotive than it had been envisioned, but there's nothing most of the people involved can do about it; that's simply the way it is. It's only the ideas which are extremely cool to begin with that end up looking great in practice.

Now, I'm not saying we can't criticize. All I'm saying is this; it's quite easy to sit around and come up with amazing and innotive new ideas. It's quite another thing to put them into effect.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:50 pm

Well a production crew or its affiliates may be better qualified at certain aspects of their profession, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they are 'smarter' than us, either, nor are they necessarily working their 'butts' off for our entertainment either.
I appreciate that some lines shouldn't be crossed, and slander or crudities,certainly shouldn't be employed, but we all have an innate right to criticise and debate, in any capacity.