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Dont know if the Founders would trust them building stuff for them. Better to get them to just pay you in resources.

Teaos wrote:Dont know if the Founders would trust them building stuff for them. Better to get them to just pay you in resources.

Exactly. Like I said, you can cow people into not rebelling outright, but not so much into not sabotaging stuff they build for you.

Teaos wrote:Dont know if the Founders would trust them building stuff for them. Better to get them to just pay you in resources.

They evidently trust their underlings enough to buy torpedoes off them.

To be fair for this discussion, the Karemma didn't manufacture them - just retailed them.

Mikey wrote:To be fair for this discussion, the Karemma didn't manufacture them - just retailed them.

Where did you get that from? The impression I got from the episode was that the Karemma produced the torpedoes as well. Certainly their trade minister was quite knowledgeable about their design.

I admit it's an assumption, based on the general presentation of the Karemma as traders rather than manufacturers. I don't make cars, I sell them - but I could tell you, for example, how different types of fuel injection work.

Who's to say the whole race is like that?

Moreover why would the whole race be like that? The Vorta and Jem'Hadar may be single-role species, but they are specifically engineered for those roles. There's no evidence that the Karemma are, and even the monospecies seen in the rest of Trek have at least some diversity of occupation.

Maybe thats all the Founders will let them do?

Rochey wrote:Who's to say the whole race is like that?

Captain Seafort wrote:Moreover why would the whole race be like that? The Vorta and Jem'Hadar may be single-role species, but they are specifically engineered for those roles. There's no evidence that the Karemma are, and even the monospecies seen in the rest of Trek have at least some diversity of occupation.

As I said, I admit it was an assumption. But that sort of monomania, along with a degree of monoculturalsim, is far from without precedent in 'Trek. The Ferengi, for example - aside from Rom and Nog, who were portrayed as oddities, even the Ferengi who aren't directly involved in commerce are involved in some sort of support of commercial activities. The only Klingons I recall not involved somehow in the prosecution of violence were involved in clerical roles, which can hardly be seen as an alternative industry.

Mikey wrote:As I said, I admit it was an assumption. But that sort of monomania, along with a degree of monoculturalsim, is far from without precedent in 'Trek.

And it's one of the worst aspects of it.

The Ferengi, for example - aside from Rom and Nog, who were portrayed as oddities, even the Ferengi who aren't directly involved in commerce are involved in some sort of support of commercial activities.

You also have Eliminator Leck who, while considered unusual, was far from a one off, and the military (or pirates) seen in Peak Performance (with an attitude to surrender that would do the stereotypical Klingon proud) and Rascals.

The only Klingons I recall not involved somehow in the prosecution of violence were involved in clerical roles, which can hardly be seen as an alternative industry.

We've also seen lawyers (DS9) and traders (TNG - Gambit). Plus the obvious fact that the Empire simply couldn't survive if the obsession with combat was species-wide.

There was talk of a Klingon Doctor in Star Trek VI, he was apparently killed by the two Starfleet assasins. And the Scientist in the last episode of Voyager, who built whatever it was that Janeway stole (my memory of that episode is a bit vague).

Oh, and Worf's nanny.

Captain Seafort wrote:And it's one of the worst aspects of it.

But unfortunately, still an aspect of it.

Captain Seafort wrote:You also have Eliminator Leck who, while considered unusual, was far from a one off, and the military (or pirates) seen in Peak Performance (with an attitude to surrender that would do the stereotypical Klingon proud) and Rascals.

True, though basing objectives on anything other than commercial interests seemed to be grounds for administrative discipline.

Captain Seafort wrote:We've also seen lawyers (DS9) and traders (TNG - Gambit). Plus the obvious fact that the Empire simply couldn't survive if the obsession with combat was species-wide.

Fair enough. As to the last sentence you wrote, unfortunately see my first comment above.

the vorta are not mono-role, some are diplomats but others were mentioned as scientists especially regarding the cloning process of one of the weyouns..