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Post by **Teaos** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:00 am

Yeah but we also have to take into account the canon history of the borg. That they have been around for thousends of years and destroyed races back then.

While the idea is good it doesn't fit canon. But then the idea that the borg are involved isn't canon...

The fact that the borg haven't taken over the quadrant dispite their huge power and technology maked me believe that they more or less stay still unless provoked.

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:07 am

Teaos wrote: The fact that the borg haven't taken over the quadrant dispite their huge power and technology maked me believe that they more or less stay still unless provoked.

Also they haven't really tried to assimilate the Federation, yet. Just humanity, perhaps even then to simply make their lives easier down the road.

Sorry about the wild speculation, I can't remember the source for the ancient Collective, and had forgotten about their age. Where did that info come from?

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:56 am

In several episodes.

The first being when they were first encountered someone mentioned that they had been around for thousends of years.

In a voyager a species mentioned that the borg had attacked several centuries ago as well.

That leads me to believe that they just tend to sit around unless provoked.

Les · Post by **Les** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:50 am

In 'First Contact' the Borg Queen mentions that the Borg started out as 'Organic' but that they 'Evolved to include the synthetic'. In TMP it's strongly indicated that the 'race' which repaired and up-graded V'Ger was a race of all-machine entities, perhaps something from VonNeuman's wildest screaming nightmares. In fact, V'Ger at first seems perplexed that his Creator's homeworld seems Infested by biological life and threatens to sear the Earth clean of All life if V'Ger's True Creator does not reveal himself.

And yeah, by and large the Borg do appear to be quite stagnant, but that seems to be par for the course for collective-intelligences. Give them something specific to do and they are un-matched in their efficiency in performing said task, but otherwise they appear to be more re-active than pro-active, only advancing when they assimilate a new species and it's technology or following-up on the theories postulated by other species before they were assimilated.

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:01 am

Yeah true. It has no desire to explore like we do thus it does nothing unless provoked.

It would really cool if we could get the whole galaxy together and everyone agree to desert any space within like 50-100 light years. Like creating a fire break. We could keep them in there own space.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:44 am

That could work.

Although I always figured it was because of the war with S8472 that stopped them expanding. When did the borg encounter S8472?

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:56 am

I think the war had been happening a few months when Voyager meet them but no longer. I don't think they ever "Expand" as in purposly get more teritory. They only do so then they find something new somehow.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:03 am

Ah, okay.
And yes, they don't seem to be in any hurry to do anything.

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:09 pm

Wouldn't they feel a need to continue to develop and therefore jump past any "firebreak" in order to keep pursuing perfection? I would think that the fact that they KNOW that the rest of the galaxy is out there would just sit there and tempt them.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:48 pm

After what Voyager did and the war with S8472, they might be recovering their losses. That might stop any expansionism for the while.

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:52 pm

Rochey wrote:After what Voyager did and the war with S8472, they might be recovering their losses. That might stop any expansionism for the while.

One would think. They probably have to re-build before they are comfortable enough to do anything. But I'd bet they'd defend themselves (up to and including totally conquering the Dominion should the Founders be foolish enough to poke the hornet's nest!).

So I think that either way such a war would be disastrous for whichever party attacked the other. (But if the Dominion invaded I don't think they could destroy the Borg like I think the Borg could destroy the Dominion IF they committed enough forces.)

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:53 pm

Rochey wrote:After what Voyager did and the war with S8472, they might be recovering their losses. That might stop any expansionism for the while.

One would think. They probably have to re-build before they are comfortable enough to do anything. But I'd bet they'd defend themselves (up to and including totally conquering the Dominion should the Founders be foolish enough to poke the hornet's nest!).

So I think that either way such a war would be disastrous for whichever party attacked the other. (But if the Dominion invaded I don't think they could destroy the Borg like I think the Borg could destroy the Dominion IF they committed enough forces.)

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:00 pm

Congratulations! You just made the first double post on the forum.

And yes, a war would be rather costly for both sides.

DBS · Post by **DBS** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:06 pm

Rochey wrote:
Congratulations! You just made the first double post on the forum.

One of my many talents!

Oi. My internet connection is often dodgy, and it happened at just the right time to confuse me!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:12 pm

It also got you promoted I see.

Congrats.

I'm also having problems with the site. Is it the same for everyone?

V'GER

Why the borg don't realised that when V'GER made Contact?