Defiant

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:48 pm

Ugh, I hated it whenever we saw officers using the Defiant to get them somewhere. Its a warship, not a fracking taxi! You have shuttles for a reason!

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:49 pm

Ugh, I hated it whenever we saw officers using the Defiant to get them somewhere. Its a warship, not a fracking taxi! You have shuttles for a reason!

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:02 pm

Right on the money. Unfortunately what happened when put to all those uses for which the Defiant was NOT designed was this:

the Defiant, as originally spec'd, was not up to doing all those things - at least not as well as was necessary for the screenplay. So, in order to preserve the plot, we were shown the Defiant doing various and sundry things, surreptitiously, which she was NOT supposed to be capable of - not to mention changing size by vast amounts from week to week...

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:30 am

If we forget about the muckups of the writers then we can see a well built and thought out ship. It is the perfect ideal of 'form = function'. The ship was a 170 weapons platform, almost all of it facing foward. That was her big advantage. All weapons forward on a ship with the firepower of something twice or even three times her size. A fleet of those would do wonders!

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 11:42 am

Yes if she had been kept on here assigned duty she was great. A great idea all be it an ugly ship... what can I say I like that Starfleet has pretty ships.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:40 pm

I'd love to see a dedicated battleship from Starfleet. If a 150 metre long ship can cause that much damage, imagine how much chaos a Sovereign scale ship could do...

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 12:54 pm

Rochey wrote:I'd love to see a dedicated battleship from Starfleet. If a 150 metre long ship can cause that much damage, imagine how much chaos a Sovereign scale ship could do...

We've been starting to see tham with the Akira and Prometheus - albeit not often enough to get a good impression of their capabilities. The stupidity of the Prometheus' basic concept aside, it's got great firepower, destroying a D'Deridex within a minute. The Akira is less certain, but given the number of launchers it's got I'd expect it to put out an ungodly torpedo spam.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:09 pm

Indeed, it seems that the Dominion war gave the Federation a long needed kick up the backside.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:23 pm

Rochey wrote:Indeed, it seems that the Dominion war gave the Federation a long needed kick up the backside.

Now if only they'd get themselves a decent ground force. Y'know, the sort that could actually beat a bunch of people more competant than a Somali militia...

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:25 pm

Now lets not be insulting.
The Somali militia could have easily held that pass at AR-558.

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:39 pm

Again, we turn the topic to the negation of logic in order to further a stiryline without any effort on the part of the writers. We had been shown what powerful, scary fighters the Jem'Hadar were, and then along comes AR-558. The ep wouldn't have been much if the Fed forces were wiped out before the first commercial break - which is surely what would have happened if the Jem'Hadar were written to be true to previous form. So, we had to see them portrayed as tactical morons, just to make sure the ep would fill out its format.

This could have been avoided, of course, by still showing them to be superior fighters, and by making the Feds slightly LESS of a bunch of tactical morons themselves...

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:43 pm

Rochey wrote:Now lets not be insulting.
The Somali militia could have easily held that pass at AR-558.

They've got better mobile forces as well - the Federation doesn't have any Infantry Fighting Vehicles, while the Somali's not only have them, but they've got a decent troop capacity and a good field of fire for their main armament.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:47 pm

Mikey, you hit the nail on the head there.

Seafort, imagine replacing the US solidiers from Black Hawk Down with Federation troops. How long till they get slaughtered?

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:36 pm

I think th Federation has always done a fine job of having its military appropriate to the threat level. No need to start an arms race when all you need is to defend yourself.

When the threat has increased they have been able to quickly adjust to the situation.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:55 pm

I think th Federation has always done a fine job of having its military appropriate to the threat level. No need to start an arms race when all you need is to defend yourself.

Put it this way.
You, race X, have greater technology than race Y. Race Y is known to be hostile to you.
Do you build a military force that can barely hold off race Y's military, thus taking massive losses?
Or do you build a powerfull military that race Y cannot match, so that when the invasion starts, you can beat them back with few losses?

Sure the Federation can defend itself, but at needless cost.

When the threat has increased they have been able to quickly adjust to the situation.

After taking massive losses in the initial attack. Losses that could easily have been prevented.