Are the Romulans weak?

[SolkaTruesilver]

Hell you could replace SF security with the US Coast Gaurd and it would be improved 900%. As it stands right now you could give me a squad of half trained squids ( navy personal for those that don't know) and I could take the bridge of any SF ship in less than a minute, and if I had half way decent intell less than 30 seconds. SF has lost the warrior culture that every person in uniform should live up to

Not just SF. Klingon Warriors, Romulan Marines, Jem'Hadar, Cardassian Soldiers, Bajoran Terrorists...

okay, maybe less so for the Bajorans

All of them never take cover in firefight except extreme situation (I give a slack for the Bajorans, 'cause they fought not badly in "Shakaar"). None of them have proper combat deployment when advancing toward the ennemy. They have no screening technique, no ground-based tactics beyond walking casually down the hallway until you meet the ennemy, and try to rise your phaser quicker than the other, hoping you'll hit while hip-firing.

If there is one thing I think consecrate Enterprise's place in the Trek mythos, it's the somewhat realistic tactics used by the MACO. For the FIRST FRAKKING TIME did we saw proper ground tactics in Star Trek.

And then, right after, I saw Nemesis and I cried when Riker & Worf were "surprised" to meet Remans in the hallway. The very Remans they were trying to engage. No sir, you don't need surprise fire in the 24th Century.

[McAvoy]

Definitely agree with that.

While I can forgive fleet actions for poor SFX or in the case of DS9 fleet battles, only seeing a small part of an action. But tactical situations they truly suck at it.

[Deepcrush]

Hell you could replace SF security with the US Coast Gaurd and it would be improved 900%. As it stands right now you could give me a squad of half trained squids ( navy personal for those that don't know) and I could take the bridge of any SF ship in less than a minute, and if I had half way decent intell less than 30 seconds. SF has lost the warrior culture that every person in uniform should live up to

When it comes down to holding or taking a ship, there aren't many who I'd be willing to trust over the USCG.

[Mark]

Hell you could replace SF security with the US Coast Gaurd and it would be improved 900%. As it stands right now you could give me a squad of half trained squids ( navy personal for those that don't know) and I could take the bridge of any SF ship in less than a minute, and if I had half way decent intell less than 30 seconds. SF has lost the warrior culture that every person in uniform should live up to

Not just SF. Klingon Warriors, Romulan Marines, Jem'Hadar, Cardassian Soldiers, Bajoran Terrorists...

okay, maybe less so for the Bajorans

Um, we saw the Ferengi capture the former Federation flagship with seeming ease. A squad of monkies throwing handfulls of feces could take a Starfleet bridge, unfortunately.

[SolkaTruesilver]

Hell you could replace SF security with the US Coast Gaurd and it would be improved 900%. As it stands right now you could give me a squad of half trained squids ( navy personal for those that don't know) and I could take the bridge of any SF ship in less than a minute, and if I had half way decent intell less than 30 seconds. SF has lost the warrior culture that every person in uniform should live up to

Not just SF. Klingon Warriors, Romulan Marines, Jem'Hadar, Cardassian Soldiers, Bajoran Terrorists...

okay, maybe less so for the Bajorans

Um, we saw the Ferengi capture the former Federation flagship with seeming ease. A squad of monkies throwing handfulls of feces could take a Starfleet bridge, unfortunately.

Okay. Think about it one second:

1- A group of Ferengi captured the Federation Flagship in "Rascals"
2- A group of Ferengi can't kill 2 simulated Jem'Hadar in "The Magnificient Ferengi"

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo...

[Sionnach Glic]

1- A group of Ferengi captured the Federation Flagship in "Rascals"

In all fairness, given that the NX-01 was the first to be captured by the Ferengi, it could be said that the Enterprise was just following an old tradition of Starfleet flagships.

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[McAvoy]

1- A group of Ferengi captured the Federation Flagship in "Rascals"

In all fairness, given that the NX-01 was the first to be captured by the Ferengi, it could be said that the Enterprise was just following an old tradition of Starfleet flagships.

Even Odo thought it was amusing.

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Nice work.

[Victory is Life]

The events in the 'Countdown' comics are considered official source Canon.

[Tyyr]

No. Unless it was on the TV show or a movie it is not canon.

[Mark]

Considered by who? Its been explicitly stated ONLY what we see on screen to be cannon.

[Sionnach Glic]

The events in the 'Countdown' comics are considered official source Canon.

Really? Would you happen to have a quote handy? I've heard that the TMs may be getting considered as canon after all by The Powers That Be, but I've not heard of comics ever coming close to getting classed as canon.

[Mark]

Here's what Memory Alpha has to say. I've highlighted the pertenint passage in red.

Star Trek: Countdown is a four-issue series of comics from IDW Publishing. The series is a prequel tie-in to the 2009 film, Star Trek. It serves as both a lead up to the film and a continuation of the Star Trek: The Next Generation era. The story details the back-story of Nero, the Romulan villain of the film. It takes place in the year 2387, eight years after Star Trek Nemesis, and explains how Nero and Spock ended up in the 23rd century. The first issue was released in January 2009, with one more issue following each month through April 2009.

The series is written by Mike Johnson and Tim Jones, based on a story by Star Trek screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. David Messina is the artist for the series. The official description for the series reads as follows:

The countdown to the motion picture event of 2009 begins here, in the exclusive comics prequel to STAR TREK, the upcoming blockbuster film from Paramount Pictures! JJ Abrams, Roberto Orci, and Alex Kurtzman present the origin of Nero, the mysterious Romulan who will ultimately threaten the survival of the entire universe. Don't miss this story that brings STAR TREK back to the big screen!
The prequel connects the era of Star Trek: The Next Generation to the continuity of the film, inspired by the two-part episode "Unification". As such, familiar characters from the TNG era appear in the series. In addition to Nero, Spock from the 24th century, who was last seen in "Unification", is among the main characters of the series. [1]

Contents [hide]
1 Publication history
2 Creators
3 Issues
4 Characters
5 References
6 External link

Publication history EditCountdown came about after Anthony Pascale of TrekMovie kept asking the film's writers, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, to create a means for the characters of The Next Generation to "pass the baton" back to the characters of Star Trek: The Original Series. [2] Although comic co-writer Mike Johnson considers Countdown to be canon, Orci stated he was in no position to declare whether it was, though he felt it could be considered canon unless it is contradicted in a later film or TV episode. [3] He later implied that it was not canon. [4]

Johnson and co-writer Tim Jones work for Kurtzman and Orci at their production company, K/O Productions, and, being fans of Star Trek: The Next Generation, they were asked to come up with a way to honor The Next Generation while connecting it with the new movie. Orci, Kurtzman, and J.J. Abrams provided direction for the comic, while Orci supervised the project. Johnson and Jones were permitted to read parts of the script and watch parts of the film in order to write the comic, particularly those parts which dealt with Nero. [5][6]

According to Johnson, every scene Nero has in the film fed into the comic book, while the comic gives much more subtext to his scenes. The writers chose to give his Romulan crew informal dialogue to reflect they are miners, not politicians or warriors. Although it involves characters from The Next Generation, the main purpose of the comic was to explain Nero's motives in the film, to show the character's journey "from a proud Romulan patriot to a murderous arch villain."[7][8]

The series ran for four issues, with one issue released each month from January through April 2009. According to IDW editor-in-chief Chris Ryall, the first issue of Star Trek: Countdown sold out within two weeks of its publication, despite the fact that more copies of the book were printed than originally intended.[9] Electronic versions of the comic books are available on the iPhone and iPod touch from Apple's App Store. The third issue was the first comic to be released in stores and on the iPhone on the same day.[10] A trade paperback collecting all four issues was released on 7 April 2009.

Countdown was also published in issues 1 to 3 of Star Trek Comic. The first issue contained parts One and Two, issues 2 and 3 contained parts Three and Four, respectively.

[Victory is Life]

Definitely agree with that.

While I can forgive fleet actions for poor SFX or in the case of DS9 fleet battles, only seeing a small part of an action. But tactical situations they truly suck at it.

Are you calling the fleet engagements in DS9 'poor FX quality?' AND a small part of the action? SOA, anyone?