Alpha SIM IC Thread

[Nickswitz]

Well when you go after the only power in the entire galaxy that was supporting you we find that unnerving since all other powers feared that you may attack us, and now realize that you very well will when you feel so inclined. We would rather band together to remove your power and ability to instill fear in us then sit around and wait for you to feel inclined to attack us.

[Tsukiyumi]

The Taiidan Directorate again minces words, using terms like "valid military targets", when they were not at war with the Imperium in the first place. For a target to be valid, there must first be conflict, and a reason for it.

When you offered your explanation of your invasion of the FKI, we were willing to consider your reasoning; when you spoke of the 'great enemy' you fled, we were willing to listen to your story. We now believe that you are in fact the 'great enemy', and that you are willing to attack without provocation any who possess resources you do not.

The Federation and it's allies do desire peace, but they are not fools, nor weaklings. They will not wait until you have picked clean the bones of their neighbors, and turn your greedy eyes toward their territory.

As for the Coalition, you will find out soon enough how mighty Klingon warriors are, and how coldly the Breen deal with invaders.

[Reliant121]

Fools. Augmented, bionic fools. Genocide, the act of destroying an entire race, has been enacted at least once by your people. You destroyed the Kazon. You can dance around the reasoning, can find some feeble excuse but you have done it, and the worlds of the quadrant can see. And now the wanton slaughter of billions of Klingon civilians. Is it perhaps that we "blunts" do not constitute life forms? Or your own arrogant presumption that you can lord over all who come before you.

[Tyyr]

Well when you go after the only power in the entire galaxy that was supporting you we find that unnerving since all other powers feared that you may attack us, and now realize that you very well will when you feel so inclined. We would rather band together to remove your power and ability to instill fear in us then sit around and wait for you to feel inclined to attack us.

Which sounds curiously like our motivation for removing a warmongering bunch of sapient sacrificing religious zealots.

We do not mince words, you simply fail to comprehend them. Genocide has a very specific definition, one you seem to not be aware of. Civilian casualties were substantial, but they allowed civilians to settle in close proximity to things such as antimatter refineries which either demonstrates reckless disregard for the safety of their citizens or an attempt to use them as sapient shields. Either way the Taiidan Directorate was not going to avoid striking these targets simply because the Klingons cannot take care of their own. Declaration of war? We would have thought our ships initiating an attack would have informed even the densest fool that we were at war.

As for the unaugmented bigot running the Turei, we do not make excuses. We eliminated the Kazon in our territory, after they were given the same opportunity to leave the Pakled received. They chose not too, they were too stupid to take the hint. Perhaps you feel some kinship with them given your own idiocy. Suffice it to say we will avoid judging your entire race on your own failings, though given that they allow you to lead them we cannot help but wonder.

[Reliant121]

A quick little dodge, followed by an insult. Learn a new tune, this ones been played one time too many.

[Nickswitz]

So your reason for attacking the Klingons was because they were siding with you. The Klingons can be reasoned with very easily as long as you don't attack them. You however, seem to be immune to diplomacy and will do whatever you so please, regardless of the possible outcome.

[Tyyr]

Diplomacy? What diplomacy? The intrusions by cloaked warships? The thinly veiled and not veiled at all threats? Where were the attempts at cultural exchange? Trade? Actual diplomats? We've yet to see anything remotely approaching diplomacy. The faction preaching peace does all it can to widen a conflict. Rather than simply state they will assist the Klingons the Federation makes pitiful half-hearted requests while positioning warships in Klingon space. Such a statement would have ended the conflict quickly but instead the Federation warmongers take a course of action to widen the conflict instead of secure peace. Not that they are alone in their hypocrisy. The only nation to have extinguished all life on a planet presumes to lecture us on "genocide." A nation which has twice attacked smaller neighbors is up in arms about us attacking a larger one.

As for the Klingons, yes they welcomed us but they did so without question. They knew nothing of us and celebrated us all the same. Recklessly. Then they slaughter a million of their own citizens to venerate a corpse. Given your own experiences with religious zealots in charge of nations, the aforementioned planetary cleansing of life, and our own past experiences the reasons we judged them a threat and acted accordingly should be obvious. Given the hostility we have so far encountered we judged we were unlikely to receive any outside help and took our own independent steps.

If you wish so much to widen the conflict then do so but please, for the sake of us all, cease the hypocrisy.

[Reliant121]

We made an error. A great error. But it was not genocide. Had we exterminated the entire race? Had we? A PAST tyrant gave the order, and he was killed for it. As for genocide, read the dictionary on its definition.

[Lt. Staplic]

You speak of warmongers within the Federation inviting and widening a conflict that could have been over by now, yet it was your own race who initiated hostile actions not once, but twice within a year of each other. As for your definition of Federation warmongering, I do not see how one can make such a poorly drawn conclusion.

Our ships did not, nor have they to date, moved to attack you or pursue your ships at all. they stationed themselves in the defense of the Klingon homeworld. You initiated battle with us. Our diplomatic requests for peace were genuine, but you decided to ignore them. We did not feel the need to share our tactical decisions with you for the obvious reason that you were still a threat; however, had you called off the attack like we asked, like we wanted, then this war would not be unfolding. The Federation ships sent to defend Q'onoS would never have engaged in battle with your forces, and we would have peace. Real peace, not your misguided notion of conquering the weak for your own aims.

You have started this war with an attack on the Imperium of Martok, if you do not like that the Federation and her allies can put aside past grievances for a greater purpose. then I suggest you surrender, take your wandering fleet and keep moving, because that will not change.

[Tyyr]

An error? You classify extinguishing all life on a planet as an error? Let us hope you never make a mistake or half of local space might be sterilized. How marvelous that you can simply wash your hands of your own genocide, yes we do know the definition, by changing rulers. We have to ask, could we place this whole business with the Klingons behind us by changing our director? It would certainly seem to be a simple way to put an end to all this.

Poorly drawn? Let us review since you are apparently senile. You were aware of our existence when we took over the FKI. You did not attempt to make contact with us. You instead chose to try and infiltrate our space and were rebuffed. Again, you did not attempt to contact us. Then you take part in an effort to infiltrate our space with cloaked warships. Even after we drove off your ships for a second time you did not attempt to communicate you simply chose to make a grand speech to your people. We were the ones who had to initiate communication. You claim to love peace yet instead of the most peaceful solution, simply broadcasting an inquiry into FKI space to find out what is happening, you chose to infiltrate our space when you were well aware of our presence. You decided to make first contact with warships instead of words. Quite the peaceful empire you have there.

Then when we attacked the Klingons you decided to make halfhearted requests for peace. Instead of a demonstration of strength or a statement of solidarity that you would stand with the Klingons you decided to send cloaked ships into their space to try and lay a trap for our ships. Again, you neglected words and chose to try and solve your differences with warships. So simple a communication as "The Federation and Gorn will defend the Klingon Empire with our full resources," No tactical information, no vital secrets, just a statement of purpose and that would have ended the conflict before it began... but that wouldn't have gotten you your war now would it? It also might have left the Klingons with an infrastructure instead of ruins.

Ohhh, we truly misjudged you didn't we? Here we thought we were dealing with inept warmongers trying to cloak themselves in righteousness blathering about peace they didn't believe in. The truth is that you are cunning enough to make it look like you cared about the peace. You bumble through half hearted pleas to stop the violence knowing they would be ineffective. You keep your ships hidden so that we will not know they are there and not divert from our course. Instead you set them around the Klingon's capital a, "valiant" show that you will defend even your enemies from the horrible Taiidan. All the while knowing that until we come into direct conflict we will rip the flesh from the Klingon's bones and what they had at their homeworld wasn't nearly enough to support their Empire with.

You've used us to destroy your enemy and now you want to remove us. You'll have a crippled Klingon Empire dependent on you to prop them up. The "Coalition" is ruined. The Klingons will be so addled you'll be able to keep them from ever catching up with you. Once you manipulate your peons into helping you eliminate us and in doing so ruin them militaritly you will emerge as the dominant power in local space all the while being able to claim you had nothing at all to do with it.

Bravo. The only problem is that you've underestimated the Migrant Fleet. Do what you will, we will ensure that the Federation doesn't prosper from it's scheme.

[Reliant121]

Clearly your definition of genocide differs from ours. We would call the systematic extermination of an entire race genocide. The atrocity that we committed was an evil thing (although certainly not the systematic elimination of a racial group), and it shall scar our racial memory far into the future and long after your existence has faded into a distant shadow. And what other race has not had its internal wars? What other race has not fought amongst themselves for power and dominance? The humans committed atrocities of equal levels with technology much older than you or I even wish to contemplate. The Romulan and Vulcan peoples only separated after their ideological differences almost caused the wanton slaughter of both their respective races. The imperium has murdered one another time immaterial.

But of course, the glorious and unquestionable moral height that is the Taiidan directorate has no such experiences? Frankly, if you have not had such atrocities due to internal politics, then you are naive. Children, with no real experience with horror or death. The enemy hurts your hardest when it is your neighbour, your brother, your father. Any race that goes through that and survives grows stronger. At the very least, they learn. If you are unwilling to let an internal mistake, a mistake that may well have been abhorrent in scale and nature but a mistake nonetheless, be dealt with internally as we have done, then why should we show any different? Why should we sit by and simply watch you grow in size and impurity, diving headfirst into war and death?

[Tyyr]

Except that the definition of genocide includes only wiping out a part of a specific group. In this case one group exterminating another over religious differences. If you're going to lecture us on the definition of words please understand the words first. I do enjoy that you've then turned right around and threatened us with genocide. That would be hypocrisy in action so long as we're having to define terms for you.

You ask us what moral heights we've ascended to? You were the ones who first climbed upon your pulpit to lecture us about genocide so I would ask the question of you first. As for us we've claimed no moral heights. I know that in your attempt to make the Turei morally superior to the Taiidan such self aggrandizement is necessary but we have no use for your hollow moralizing. We've never denied wiping out the Kazon in the FKI but you seem unable to comprehend that the hateful evil Taiidan first offered the Kazon ships in which to leave our space as we did the Pakleds. Nothing changes what happened but the few million Kazon you weep over constantly choose their fate in this respect.

We do find it most humorous that you continue to weep and gnash your teeth over the demise of a few million Kazon after over 60 billions Klingons died. Truly you must hold Klingon lives in little regard if a few million Kazon are a tragedy worth commenting on while the Klingons are... eh. Though I can't discount your political angle in all this. It's so much easier to stir up the masses with terrible words like "genocide" than with "causalities" isn't it?

You believe we are a threat to you? One so pressing that even though we've not engaged you at all and lie on the other side of local space it is worth starting a war to destroy us? Even when the Cardassians, who are far closer to you, have already started two wars themselves? Or the Klingons who are closer still have fought two including the last one where they destroyed the Romulan Empire in its entirety? They are a non-issue for you? Please, you are a pitiful little Empire looking to ride the coat-tails of your betters to some kind of military victory so you can cleanse your own sins from your memory consoling yourselves that even though you've killed billions of your own kind you stood up to someone else to stop them from doing it. If you need absolution go talk to a priest or a psychologist.

[Reliant121]

We have the moral rights to ascend to to admit that we were wrong. That what we did, was wrong. That it shall never be forgotten, much less forgiven. I think the thousands of us that have fled to other races are right to hold that view. Can you say the same? You point blank admit, and revel in, the extinction of a race and the attempt on another? We did not mention the Klingons because they are not extinct. They are resourceful and resilient, despite their self-destructive tendencies. As for a threat, the fact you can appear seemingly out of nowhere across an area of space far from the area you have claimed and decide that it is your right to simply destroy another power is a threat enough. Such arrogance, such presumption is more than a threat, its an outrage and an affront the civilized races of the Galaxy. We may not be among them for our crimes, and perhaps we shall forever be tainted. That does not mean we cannot defend the civilization of others. We can, and we will.

[Tyyr]

Martyrdom now? My what righteous warriors the Turei are. Willing to sacrifice their nation to atone for their sins. Again, seek to soothe your guilty conscience elsewhere, we will not help you atone for your sins. As for "revealing" in our actions cease to project your own failings. We simply do not try to deny or conceal what we have done ... nor do we feel the need to embark on some quest to soothe some racial guilty conscience.

[Lt. Staplic]

You may view this action as you wish Tiidian, you will do little to mislead us. We sought resolution to your action with words of peace, not with the threat of force. You chose to ignore those words and become our enemy, and our enemy you shall remain. Your ignorance of our hails, of our attempts to communicate, during both your actions on the KFI and the IoM, does not mean they were not there.