Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:48 pm
i loved the 'epic' feel of the war, and added a new dimension to the Borg, to see them struggling so, ineptly
Personally, I would have preferred Janeway to sit back with a bag of popcorn and watch the Borg getting a can of asswhoop opened on them.Personally, I would've preferred that 'war' to go on for at least a few more episodes before the EMH magically enhanced the Borg nanoprobes.
From the looks of it 8472 were more of a threat. Probably would have been wise to let 8472 destroy the Borg then destroy 8472.But, no. Instead, she goes and saves the one species who is the largest threat to the survival of the Federation from extinction. Way to go Lameway.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is no evidence that 8472 were a threat to anyone other than the Borg, who had started the war in the first place.Teaos wrote:From the looks of it 8472 were more of a threat. Probably would have been wise to let 8472 destroy the Borg then destroy 8472.
You're right Mikey, I apologise for the brief lapse in sanity.Mikey wrote:Are you seriously suggesting that Janeway show some common sense, and follow a plan of action which would lead to the best possible set of outcomes for herself and the Federation? Preposterous! [/sarcasm]
Dejavu anyone. Remeber last time we had this debate Seafort got those 3 quotes for us that showed they were hostile. One said "purge our galaxy". That is proof.I've said it before, and I'll say it again. There is no evidence that 8472 were a threat to anyone other than the Borg, who had started the war in the first place.
And, I'll say what I said in that very thread again:Seafort wrote:From the script, immediately after Voyager escapes from the bioship that attacked it while they were investigating the Borg "graveyard".
Scorpian part 1 wrote:JANEWAY: Kes...?
KES: I could hear its thoughts... the pilot of the bio- ship it tried to
communicate with me
Kes concentrates, trying to make sense of the impressions.
KES: They're a telepathic species... I think I've been aware of them for
some time now... the premonitions... (beat) Captain, it's not the Borg
we should be worried about... it's them.
JANEWAY: What did it say to you?
Kes looks at her.
KES: It said. "The weak will perish."
Later, after Voyager detects the "northwest passage" filled with bioships emerging from fluidic space:
In part 2, during the battleKES: They come from a place where they're alone... nothing else lives
there...
CHAKOTAY: Some kind of parallel universe...
KES: I don't know...
Kes shivers a little, struck by a sudden malevolence...
KES: I feel... malevolence... a cold hatred... (thinks) The weak... will
perish... it's an invasion... they intend to destroy everything...
The first was in response to a unidentified ship whose crew had been poking around both inside a recently disabled enemy ship, and aboard the 8472's own ship. The second was during the assault phase of an incursion from their own space into known hostile territory. The final one was communicating with an intruder into their space, which only enemy forces had done before, equipped with the technology of that known enemy. I would say that the first and last can be explained as aggression towards an enemy, with a good dose of psychological warfare. The other was during the middle of an attack, where aggression is key to success. It's hardly a good way to determine the default attitude of a species towards other species.KES: I can hear them... they want to talk. through me...
Kes concentrates... then turns to Janeway...
KES: They saywe've contaminated their realm.
Janeway hesitates- this is a strange way to make First Contact.
JANEWAY: (to Kes) Tell them... we had no choice. we were only trying to
defend ourselves.
INTER CUT:
104 MENTAL FLASH (OPTICAL)
An ALIEN FACE, aggressive, terrifying!
104A RESUME KES
as she "listens" to the aliens
KES: They say our galaxy... is impure. Its proximity is a threat to
their... genetic integrity.
JANEWAY: Tell them we have a weapon... a devastating weapon that can
destroy them at the cellular level. (beat) If they don't stop their
attacks on the Delta Quadrant... we'll be forced to use it.
Kes thinks...
KES: They said, Your galaxy... will be purged.
I wrote:So the whole 'we'll destroy you're galaxy' line was in response to Voyager, who had attacked them with no provocation, threatening to commit xenocide.
Sounds more like they were trying to threaten her to me.
That could easily mean the Borg, who 8472 were aleady at war with, and who they would consider to be weak."The weak will perish"
Sounds like a mentality rather than a response.
Seafort answered that in his post.And isnt that quote from before when we first attacked them?
So there was combat happening there, and psychological warfare might be common among a telepathic race.Seafort's post wrote:From the script, immediately after Voyager escapes from the bioship that attacked it while they were investigating the Borg "graveyard".
No, it dosen't. It shows they used psychological warfare, and that they were agressive towards Voyager.Those quotes show they were a threat to the Galaxy.
No, Voyager's attack put us on the 'To Kill' list. I noticed a severe lack of genocidal actions towards other races than the Borg, and the Federation. Both of whom attacked 8472 first.Voyagers attach just bumped us up the "To kill" list.
Or it could mean the weak will perish... and considering everything in our Galaxy is weak compared to them it would seem they would all perish. You have to distort the meaning to your own means I take them as they were said.That could easily mean the Borg, who 8472 were aleady at war with, and who they would consider to be weak.
You have no evidence it was psycological warfare. You have to take it literally until proven wrong by canon.No, it dosen't. It shows they used psychological warfare, and that they were agressive towards Voyager.
No as I stated they attack us first for no reason in the graveyard.No, Voyager's attack put us on the 'To Kill' list. I noticed a severe lack of genocidal actions towards other races than the Borg, and the Federation. Both of whom attacked 8472 first.