Dyson sphere

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:56 pm

Took them long enough to find this one...

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:50 pm

It's possible that a war broke out between the builders of the Dyson Sphere, and another race of equal power. Given that the race that built the Sphere are no longer around, we can assume they became extinct due to some event. A massive war could easily achieve MAD for both sides, and lead to the destruction of any other spheres lying around. It's possible that the sphere we saw was set up during the closing stages of the war, possibly as a hidden refuge for civilians who had been forced to abandon their previous homes. When the government was destroyed, those living on the Sphere would have ran out of food, water, and other essential supplies. That would explain how they all disapeared.

Of course, all of that is just non canon speculation, but I like that explaination.

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:39 am

My Theory was that who ever built it was increadably advanced and been around for ages. So they may have just evolved into something like Q or the prophets. Non corperal beings with no need for the shell.

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:19 am

Or, found a way to travel intergalactically, or something of that sort. Makes sense to me.

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 3:04 am

Just because you can travel doesnt mean you will. I cant see them leaving it unless they didnt need it anymore or were forced to.

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:01 am

Doesn't mean you won't, either. There is no reason to ascribe human sensibilities to patently non-human beings. If they were able to build these things, there is no reason to assume that the shells were any more precious to them than a dilapidated apartment building might be to us.

RK_Striker_JK_5 · Post by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:09 am

Yeah. We don't know if they're extinct or... anything about them, really. Except that they're incredibly advanced, technologically.

Post by **Teaos** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:00 pm

Yeah. We don't know if they're extinct or... anything about them, really. Except that they're incredibly advanced, technologically.

Or really really patient.

N'tran DS 12 · Post by **N'tran DS 12** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:52 pm

The race that built the Sphere could have been less technologically advanced than the Federation, in some ways.

They would have to have self repairing automated nano-equipment,
perhaps artificial intelligence
and a mastery of cold fusion.....
but not even tech as advanced as replicators.

Siphon off hydrogen and helium from the star...
fuse three helium into carbon,
and one hydrogen into one neutron

total volume of the spheres structure itself is some 3.02 x 10 to the 17 km3

or 3.02 x 10 to the 26 cubic meters
or 3.02 x 10 to the 32 cubic centimeters

Estimated density of the Sphere is 2 grams per cc

6.04 x 10 to the 32 grams

6.04 x 10 to the 29 kg

Our sun has a 1.989 x 10 to the 30 kg mass.

so about a third of a star the size of our sun
would be syphoned off to form the Dyson sphere.

Changeing the mass of a star changes the interior pressures
and the energy output.

A change in our sun's energy output could easily disrupt life on the entire planet.

N'tran

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:01 am

That would seem far to advanced for the Federation let alone someone less advanced than them.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:45 pm

Agreed, Teaos. But N'tran is right in saying that "more advanced" doesn't necessarily mean that they would have equivalent advancement in all fields or types of technology.

Post by **Teaos** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:47 pm

I can understand being specialised in one area. A species being really good and teleporters or something. But to be so increadbly good at something and very poor at the other strains credabilty. Its possible but very unlikely.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:33 pm

I think the safest assumption is that they were equaly advanced in all areas.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:44 pm

Rochey wrote:I think the safest assumption is that they were equaly advanced in all areas.

At least. Their materials science must be fantastically advanced if they're able to building something that size. It's big enough to risk being ripped apart by its own mass.

mwhittington · Post by **mwhittington** » Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:19 pm

Seriously, can you imagine the gravitational pull of that thing? It contains a freakin' STAR!

Edit: Hey, I made Leiutenant! Yaaaayy!!