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- Teaos
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What percentage of Jedi turned dark? And of that small percent how many of those can be traced back to issues stemming from being taken away at a young age?
I think this is a case of if it aint broke dont fix it. You'll never have 100% sucess rate, and the high sucess rate of the Jedi points to it being the best system.
I think this is a case of if it aint broke dont fix it. You'll never have 100% sucess rate, and the high sucess rate of the Jedi points to it being the best system.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
- Deepcrush
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The problem is that when the Jedi have a mistake, its a "we just started a war that cost hundreds of billions of lives" mistake. Rather then maybe two or three Jedi die fighting each other cause one went bad. Considering the first Jedi civil war and second Jedi civil war with the later sith wars and republic civil war... All of which started because of the Jedi, I personally would be more willing to accept more common troubles that are minor then the "end of the republic" rare ones that come up every hundred years or so.
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Would not of those problems have happened if the Jedi didnt exist at all? Or even be worse? And who's to say how many hundred of other wars the Jedi did stop.
If it wasnt for the new Jedi the Vong would have killed every single thing in the Galaxy.
If it wasnt for the new Jedi the Vong would have killed every single thing in the Galaxy.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
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How many need to turn to the Dark Side before someone says, "We have an issue?"
I'm not talking about a band-aid for the Jedi, I'm speaking to the OP about how a new order should be set up. Additionally, I'm not talking about training Force-sensitive children on control of their abilities alongside other kids; I'm talking about in-home training by members of the order.
I'm not talking about a band-aid for the Jedi, I'm speaking to the OP about how a new order should be set up. Additionally, I'm not talking about training Force-sensitive children on control of their abilities alongside other kids; I'm talking about in-home training by members of the order.
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- Teaos
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When the percent is so small that any change would almost inevitably be for the worse.How many need to turn to the Dark Side before someone says, "We have an issue?"
I have no problem trying to build a new order, but I just dont think you can deviate to much from what the Jedi do with out dooming yourself.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
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I have yet to see anyone offer any evidence - or even idea - as to how the change would be for the worse.
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That if you have a 99% sucess rate trying to improve on it is almost doomed to failure by the effort.
By leaving the Kids with the parents and family they build strong emotional bonds which can tempt them to the darkside. The EXACT problem Anakin had! The guy that destroyed the Jedi.
By leaving the Kids with the parents and family they build strong emotional bonds which can tempt them to the darkside. The EXACT problem Anakin had! The guy that destroyed the Jedi.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
- Deepcrush
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No one said to remove the Jedi, we've been talking about just a restructure of the system in use to make the problems that come up more minor ones.Teaos wrote:Would not of those problems have happened if the Jedi didnt exist at all? Or even be worse? And who's to say how many hundred of other wars the Jedi did stop.
If it wasnt for the new Jedi the Vong would have killed every single thing in the Galaxy.
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In that case the only thing I can think of is some form of internal affairs seperate from the council that has ultimate power to remove and destroy undesirables... but again I think that is prone to corruption.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
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Why would they have to have the ultimate power for anything when that can be left to the Jedi Council as always. Instead simply be charged with investigation duties for within the Jedi Order.
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Becuas the council has obviously been proved to be flawed. So give another small group limited but high power on this issue.
What does defeat mean to you?
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
Nothing it will never come. Death before defeat. I don’t bend or break. I end, if I meet a foe capable of it. Victory is in forcing the opponent to back down. I do not. There is no defeat.
- Deepcrush
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People will always be flawed, so trying to remove the flaws is pointless. The key to an enforcement group such as the Jedi is to limit or focus the areas of flaws in such a way that is more manageable.
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Anakin's problems stemmed from his separation from his mother, not from the fact that he had one.Teaos wrote:That if you have a 99% sucess rate trying to improve on it is almost doomed to failure by the effort.
By leaving the Kids with the parents and family they build strong emotional bonds which can tempt them to the darkside. The EXACT problem Anakin had! The guy that destroyed the Jedi.
I can't stand nothing dull
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer
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Ah, but that would have violated the Jedi code of being holier-than-thou hypocritical asses.Deepcrush wrote:Had they have done the simple thing and just go back to rescue his mother the following week life would have worked a lot easier.
I can't stand nothing dull
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer