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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Hmm... interesting.

Nutso wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Hmm... interesting.

After the reveal at Star Wars Celebration, Ian Mcdiarmid came out on stage and, in Emperor Palpatine voice said, "Roll it again!"

Graham Kennedy wrote:I'm by no means knowledgeable about Star Wars, but I was very much under the impression from the movies that force ghosts were totally a thing of the good guys. I took that to be why Vader was a ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi - he turned good at the end, so he got to be a force ghost.

It seems weird if there are going to be bad force ghosts as well... does this mean that the good force ghosts spend their time fighting the bad force ghosts? Can ghost Palpatine fight ghost Kenobi? Would they have ghost lightsabers? They have ghost clothing, after all. It just opens up a whole world of questions.

The nature of the Knights of Ren has been a Star Wars mystery for nearly four years, ever since director and co-writer J.J. Abrams first revealed that “Kylo” is a name that Ben Solo “came to” after aligning with the monstrous Knights of Ren.

Who are they? Fallen fellow trainees at Luke’s Jedi academy? Ancient dark-side acolytes driven by the sinister side of the Force? Or merely a gang of galactic thugs, aspiring to the mysticism of a Darth Vader while really being nothing but punks? The Last Jedi did not delve into that mythology, but the new film is bringing them back, hopefully for answers. All we learn about them from the Vanity Fair article by Lev Grossman is that they were on the Jordan set, and the Wadi Rum desert there is the setting for a planet known as Pasaana.

Star Wars: The Force Awakens wasn’t a terrible movie. It had a great cast and tons of individual moments full of fun dynamism, two strengths of its director J.J. Abrams. But it was also saddled with many of Abrams’ hack weaknesses like no larger emotional or thematic arc being built up to and stupid mysteries just for the sake of mysteries. Although The Force Awakens is arguably a remake of A New Hope, ironically Star Wars: The Last Jedi is an exponentially better, richer film partially by returning to a more straightforward style of storytelling Star Wars traditionally excels at.

And one of the dumbest mysteries from The Force Awakens was “Who are the Knights of Ren?” Kylo Ren is a great character but all of the new villain lore surrounding him only seems “mysterious” to keep fans guessing and stop them from seeing how boring and unimaginative it all is. The Last Jedi’s decision to disregard all of it was totally correct, fanboys be damned. Kill a rip-off big bad guy Snoke like it’s nothing because who cares. Kylo Ren escaped from the Jedi Academy with some other evil students? Cool, let’s move on.

Nutso wrote:Rebuttal to the ew.com article above.
No One Cares About The Knights of Ren in ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’

Star Wars: The Force Awakens wasn’t a terrible movie. It had a great cast and tons of individual moments full of fun dynamism, two strengths of its director J.J. Abrams. But it was also saddled with many of Abrams’ hack weaknesses like no larger emotional or thematic arc being built up to and stupid mysteries just for the sake of mysteries. Although The Force Awakens is arguably a remake of A New Hope, ironically Star Wars: The Last Jedi is an exponentially better, richer film partially by returning to a more straightforward style of storytelling Star Wars traditionally excels at.

And one of the dumbest mysteries from The Force Awakens was “Who are the Knights of Ren?” Kylo Ren is a great character but all of the new villain lore surrounding him only seems “mysterious” to keep fans guessing and stop them from seeing how boring and unimaginative it all is. The Last Jedi’s decision to disregard all of it was totally correct, fanboys be damned. Kill a rip-off big bad guy Snoke like it’s nothing because who cares. Kylo Ren escaped from the Jedi Academy with some other evil students? Cool, let’s move on.

Nutso wrote:Rebuttal to the ew.com article above.
No One Cares About The Knights of Ren in ‘Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker’

Star Wars: The Force Awakens wasn’t a terrible movie. It had a great cast and tons of individual moments full of fun dynamism, two strengths of its director J.J. Abrams. But it was also saddled with many of Abrams’ hack weaknesses like no larger emotional or thematic arc being built up to and stupid mysteries just for the sake of mysteries. Although The Force Awakens is arguably a remake of A New Hope, ironically Star Wars: The Last Jedi is an exponentially better, richer film partially by returning to a more straightforward style of storytelling Star Wars traditionally excels at.

And one of the dumbest mysteries from The Force Awakens was “Who are the Knights of Ren?” Kylo Ren is a great character but all of the new villain lore surrounding him only seems “mysterious” to keep fans guessing and stop them from seeing how boring and unimaginative it all is. The Last Jedi’s decision to disregard all of it was totally correct, fanboys be damned. Kill a rip-off big bad guy Snoke like it’s nothing because who cares. Kylo Ren escaped from the Jedi Academy with some other evil students? Cool, let’s move on.