Atekimogus wrote:Graham Kennedy wrote:
I dunno. If it were an allegetion, sure. When a dozen different people make similar allegations, I tend to believe it.
Maybe.....but too me this seems all a bit fishy. Who knows what happened 20 years ago. Not saying those allegations are wrong..not for me to decide. But this seems all a bit to convenient to me. "Oh yes....now I remember...I also have been sexually harrassed 20 odd years ago...now where's my money please?"
As I understand it very few of the women who have made such accusations since the floodgates opened have asked for or received money. I'm not aware that any of Moonves's accusers have.
As for why "all of a sudden"... well, let's not forget that women are generally ignored when they make such accusations. There were public accusations about Bill Cosby for decades, and nothing was done until a man came forward and repeated those accusations. Same with Bill O'Reiley; accusations were made for years, and his employers simply paid the women off and kept it as quiet as they could - bearing in mind that his immediate employer was doing the exact same thing - until it was no longer in their financial interest to do so when the climate shifted.
And in the case of people like Moonves, making an accusation will likely not only not lead to any action against him, but will ruin your career.
So no, I don't find it fishy that woman are coming forward now. They're coming forward now because this is the first time that coming forward is really an option.
Very true. Question is though..should someone loose his/her job about some allegations which might or might not be true and are not even a a minor offense?
Sexual harassment is definitely something worth losing one's job over, IMO. Should they lose it over unproven allegations? Like I said, if it was just one or two, then no. But when a dozen people come forward with the same accusation? Yeah, that's something you should lose your job over.
Well...I was only speaking about hollywood and metoo and how it now swings in the other direction (mind you, I am of the opinion that two wrongs don't make one right). But if you want to discuss more broadly...fear of what exactly?
Of their misdeeds coming to light. Of women no longer being scared to report it. Of employers no longer dismissing such reports as "women being hysterical" or "just guys being guys, no big deal". Of a climate in which mistreating women isn't a perk of a job that gives you power over them.
For a long time we've lived in a society that tuts over the fact that women were abused in such situations, and said it was terrible... but never terrible enough to motivate serious action to do anything about it, you know? Because at the end of the day it wasn't something we cared about all that much.
Well, now we're increasingly in a situation where it's the creepers that have something to be scared about. Does that mean some of them get fired without due process or legal justification? I guess so. It's bad, that. Not so bad that I'm going to actually do anything about it, though.
Are there innocent men who might suffer because of this? Sure, I suppose. My point is to wonder why that seems like a big deal to people when innocent women suffering at the hands of the likes of Weinstein and Moonves never seemed like a big deal to most people.