Re: Fix the Craft World Eldar
Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:54 pm
Yeah, but the new codex is still an awful fanboi gamebreaker. One word: dreadknights.
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But my point was that I don't think the exodites have the number to occupy either. They aren't even really tapping the resources of the planets they're on to a significant degree due to deliberatly small populations and a desire to live in something closer to harmony with nature. Nothing really to be gained through expansion.Mikey wrote:Right, but what we're discussing is how we'd fix the Eldar - my suggestion here is to use the Exodites as occupation forces since the craftworlds don't have the manpower to occupy. They'd be more than good enough for that.
Well, natural mortality maybe.second, the Eldar's mortality rate is really slow.
Heh.Huh. Just get Matt Ward to write a codex for you. After all, look at the changes after he finished "Codex: Super god-mod Mary-Sue game-breakers."*
* - Sorry, I mean the 5th Ed. Codex: Grey Knights.
I think they just have a semi-official position on how things are "supposed" to be. For quite a while it was that Marines and Chaos were supposed to be the most common tourney armies, with the others sneaking in through chinks in the metagame. Though they seem to have made a decision to take IG, typically whipping boys, and put them up near the top in their last dex.Mikey wrote:Makes one wonder why GW has a hard-on for Eldar. 'Course, one often has to wonder why GW does anything they do.
I've got no idea there. Maybe they're saving those moves for a rainy day?Mikey wrote:I suppose. It makes one wonder, though, why they abandoned or ignored such cash cows. If they came out with an AdMech codex - including Titan Legions, Knights, and skitarii... they'd make a mint on the book and another on the models. The Forge World would come out with two new models, charge $80 for each, and then shill a new IA book for another $50. Squats, too... if they gave them an army list in the IG dex, and molded some plastic (I know Squats were deep-sixed because of the lead and resin mold costs,) they'd have to buy more pockets.
As long as the units pay the point cost and have the appropriate stats, you can go with ay army that would have the appropriate flavor. I.e. you aren't fielding a Chimera, you are fielding a servitor controlled armored troop platform. You aren't fielding Imperial Guard Conscript platoon, you're fielding armed Servo skulls.Mikey wrote:I suppose. It makes one wonder, though, why they abandoned or ignored such cash cows. If they came out with an AdMech codex - including Titan Legions, Knights, and skitarii... they'd make a mint on the book and another on the models. The Forge World would come out with two new models, charge $80 for each, and then shill a new IA book for another $50. Squats, too... if they gave them an army list in the IG dex, and molded some plastic (I know Squats were deep-sixed because of the lead and resin mold costs,) they'd have to buy more pockets.
Wait, am I reading that right? I'm used to it being very frowned on to tweak your list once you know what army you're going to be fighting, unless it was planned ahead that way and you're both tooling up to beat the other.Deepcrush wrote:The table top issue for Eldar is that they are a Specialist force. You can't build an Eldar army that is balanced and effective at the same time. When writing a list, you need to leave wargear options and Elite options open to switch around. IE, no vehicle armies against Necrons or Farsight Tau.
I'm not saying that you can't "counts-as" almost anything in or out of 40k fluff. I'm sure that one can (and somebody probably already has) a "counts-as" army of tin Boer War soldiers as Necrons, or something as ridiculous. What I'm saying is that even though you can easily make a skitarii army using the IG 'dex and the right doctrines, or the Witch Hunters, or whatever - plenty of people would still pay for a Tech-Guard 'dex, or Adeptus Arbites 'dex (even though that's supremely easy to make out of a Witch Hunters army,) or whatever. Then, people would still pay for arbitor minis, and Forge World could make an Arbites-specific Repressor (even though it's just an SoB Rhino without the fleur-de-lys) and people would still buy it.Coalition wrote:As long as the units pay the point cost and have the appropriate stats, you can go with ay army that would have the appropriate flavor. I.e. you aren't fielding a Chimera, you are fielding a servitor controlled armored troop platform. You aren't fielding Imperial Guard Conscript platoon, you're fielding armed Servo skulls.Mikey wrote:I suppose. It makes one wonder, though, why they abandoned or ignored such cash cows. If they came out with an AdMech codex - including Titan Legions, Knights, and skitarii... they'd make a mint on the book and another on the models. The Forge World would come out with two new models, charge $80 for each, and then shill a new IA book for another $50. Squats, too... if they gave them an army list in the IG dex, and molded some plastic (I know Squats were deep-sixed because of the lead and resin mold costs,) they'd have to buy more pockets.
You aren't fielding a regular Tau army, you're fielding a single tau Fire warrior controlling a drone force, while the Tau Fire warrior sits on the hover computer platform playing DoW: IRL.
For the Eldar, just model the Guardians as drones, and the only Eldar are the Aspect Warriors and Farseers.
You just model them appropriately, and it is technically a legal army.
During the Tournies, you can often get bonuses as you go. However, in those times that you can, you're often better off just fielding an Anti-Marine list since that's who you'll likely be facing in the end round.sunnyside wrote:Wait, am I reading that right? I'm used to it being very frowned on to tweak your list once you know what army you're going to be fighting, unless it was planned ahead that way and you're both tooling up to beat the other.
Tournies and things usually make you have a single list that cannot be change in any way, then you have to player whatever comes with it.