Ship of the Week: D'Deridex

Blackstar the Chakat · Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:19 pm

What did the Remans have to do with the Scimitar. Slaves to build it at most, and I'm sure the Tal Shiar and the military have the design plans for the ship.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:21 pm

Agreed, i collect 'trek ships and sculpt some, but noone seems to do a small scale scimitar,its a royal pain in the ass

Post by **Teaos** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:26 pm

The Remans would of had to have influence in it. the design alone is enough to show its not done by traditional Romulan designs.

Also I doubt they had a lot of help from Romulans. Just a few well placed people. I can't imagin to many willing to sell out their race to the slaves.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:28 pm

but the romulan military, or elements within,didn't see it that way at all, they saw it as a chance for unbridled actions against the federation., without the censoring influence of the senate.
also the scimitar may be 'out of the box' but that doesn't disprove romulan heritage

Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:01 pm

I'm sure it wouldn't be possible for the Remans to design a ship WITHOUT any Romulan influence.

As far as the military goes, even with the senate "dusted," elements of the Romulan military sided with the E-E in an attempt to stop the Scimitar.

Granitehewer · Post by **Granitehewer** » Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:16 pm

moohahaha mon petite mikey, i did say 'or elements within', now if you beg, we can start afresh lol

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:11 am

They sided with the Enterprise becuase they knew what the results would be if they didn't. Massive war and an arms race that we would win since we have the trump weapon... Genesis.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:37 pm

I don't care as MUCH why they did, as long as they did.

And there WAS an intimation that the planet-scale genocide for which the Scimitar was built was as distasteful to the Norexan captain as it is to us.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:52 pm

The romulans would have lost the war and most of them knew it. Starfleet was still more then able to beat them in a fight and even with those new ships they still wouldn't have had enough of them.

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:54 pm

The difference is if they had destroyed Earth we wouldn't have accepted a surrender and set up a neutral zone. We would have destroyed them so totally they would never threaten anyone again.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:57 pm

Military deterrence is a perfectly acceptable political tool.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:01 pm

Teaos wrote:The difference is if they had destroyed Earth we wouldn't have accepted a surrender and set up a neutral zone. We would have destroyed them so totally they would never threaten anyone again.

If the Scimitar had wiped out all life on Earth I doubt Starfleet would have been in any shape to respond, given the concentration of assets there - Starfleet Command, the Academy, Earth Spacedock, Earth Sation McKinley, the Federation Council, the Office of the Federation President, the list goes on. If they'd taken out Mars as well, with Utopia Planitia, that would have taken out the Federation's main construction facility. With so many crucial governmental and military C&C facilities depopulated the Federation would have been crippled.

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:08 pm

It would have been a massive blow but the ship would have been severly damaged or destroyed in the attack so its out of the picture. Earths defense fleet which it seemed to have in the Voager finally would have finished it off.

Then the remainer of the Federation and Klingon fleets would rampage across Romulan space. The other powers would help because they you be scared of the weapon and want to finally destroy the Romulans.

It would cripple the Federation and take time to rebuild but it should survive. Maybe not in the same state though with the massive human influence gone.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:16 pm

Teaos wrote:It would have been a massive blow but the ship would have been severly damaged or destroyed in the attack so its out of the picture. Earths defense fleet which it seemed to have in the Voager finally would have finished it off.

If they can find it. The film was somewhat vague regarding where the Scimitar could fire its thayleron weapon while cloaked, or through it's shields, but assuming it could the first warning Earth would have would be when the population started crumbling. As for the fleet, a competant commander (i.e. not Shinzon) could avoid them easilly. The only problem would be if the shields and cloak had to be dropped to fire the weapon - in which case it would be vulnerable.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:29 pm

When they went to fire the main weapon they needed a lot of power the cloak was down and they didn't raise it again. Such a weapon would light up every radiation scan in the sector. That and if just one of our starbases had locked on to him he would be toast!