"Admiral" Janeway's worst screw-up?
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"Admiral" Janeway's worst screw-up?
I think its safe to say that even Janeways greatest fans would be forced to admit she made a few mistakes.
The rest of us would mostly consider nearly every second thing she did to be some collosoll screw-up. So, which was her worst?
The rest of us would mostly consider nearly every second thing she did to be some collosoll screw-up. So, which was her worst?
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Personally I'd say helping the borg avoid extinction from Species 8472. Thus allowing the biggest threat to the safety of the Federation to survive.
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8472 wanted to purge our Galaxy of life. At least we had a chance of fighting the Borg. Against 8472 we had no chance.
I'd say going through Swarm space. No need to and rather stupid risk.
I'd say going through Swarm space. No need to and rather stupid risk.
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Every other captain though knows to not trust an entire species by the behavior of one.Teaos wrote:8472 wanted to purge our Galaxy of life. At least we had a chance of fighting the Borg. Against 8472 we had no chance.
I'd say going through Swarm space. No need to and rather stupid risk.
I loved Voyager but Janeway was an idiot a lot of the times.
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When? I don't recall them ever saying that.
I was under the impresion the borg tried to take out 8472, but had the war turn against them. Then Voyager shows up and Janeway decides to help the borg, of all people, to defeat the only race capable of beating them. 8472 mistook this for an official UFP action and saw it as an act of war (especially considering how Voyager took out several ships).
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Hard to say what screw up had the biggest ramifications, since such things are not easy to extrapolate. Past a certain point you just can't say that X happened because of Y.
To me, her greatest screw up was the thing she did that was most clearly and obviously wrong. And I'd go with her murder of Tuvix.
To me, her greatest screw up was the thing she did that was most clearly and obviously wrong. And I'd go with her murder of Tuvix.
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Not her screw up, but the fact that she got promoted to Admiral for doing bugger all really gets me. She is the least qualified Admiral ever. Hell, I never even watch DS9 and Sisko is doubtlessly a better person to get an admiralty spot (Picard turned his down, he didn't even want one).
Just shows they hand out admirals like sweeties.
Just shows they hand out admirals like sweeties.
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I think she was made Admiral so she could do the new relations with the friendly species in the Delta Quadrant.
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Er, and how would they get to these friendly species within Janeways lifetime?
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Voyager had information on about 3 different types of transwarp engines. I'm sure Starfleet can use that information with in a decade.
Also they may just want to set up comunications and information exchange.
Also they may just want to set up comunications and information exchange.
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Well Voyager may not have ever gotten a faster-then-warp engine to work reliably but since Starfleet has more resources they could develop a new drive. They also had that once-a-month transmission thing working reliably and that face-to-face communication that they had in season 7.Rochey wrote:Er, and how would they get to these friendly species within Janeways lifetime?