OK, its been over 24 hours since seaforts reply so game time is back. We did well in the first half. Total shut out of the other team. Though in the end of the first half they seemed to start thinking... this could mean a switch up of their game plan. GO TEAM GO!
Fighters can't act independently - they need a base for their pilots to rest, and the ships to refuel. Pretty much everything else is though.
Right, because cruisers don't have to rearm, rotate crews on R&R or refuel. Good too know.
No it hasn't. I go back to my previous analogy - in the late 18th century a 50-gun ship would commonly be referred to as a cruiser. However, that doesn't mean that it was it's official designation - it would still be a 4th rate. Likewise, Solo's comment in ANH and the lower case "cruiser" in your link are canon evidence that the ISD is often referred to as a "cruiser", while the AotC:ICS is canon evidence that the ships formally designated as such are considerably larger.
OH, so here's the switch up... But if we're going by this then did that 4th rate ship of the line have a full armored division plus a full fighter wing and prefab ground bases and supporting transports for combat as well??? I also like that you're now so desperate that you're going with the "I saw the word cruiser in lower case". At this point you should really just break down and cry. If you look on the right hand side of the link. The word Cruiser is both in upper case and listed as the ship's official designation.
By the way... even if for somehow the AotC:ICS became canon... SW.com being attached directly to LucasTM over rules it. There for the ISDs and MCs are cruisers.
Imperial Star Destroyer - destroyer. Mon Cals - destroyers on the Imperial scale.
Again with this...? Really? Why do you even bother living if this is the best you can come up with? SW.com states both are cruisers. Movies state both are cruisers. LucasTM states both are cruisers. Now feel free to cry some more... as your beatings shall continue.
Quite apart from the fact that the US navy apparently considers "frigate" and "cruiser to be interchangeable (there was a mass re-designation in the mid-70s),
Right and what does the USN or the RN have to do with SW again??? Modern titles would be fine if we weren't given anything to go by much like ST. BUT!!!! In SW we have canon sources, dispite how you like to ignore them, that lay it out for us.
I've never argued that the Neb-B is a cruiser by designation. I'm pointing out that it's been called such on occasion, giving solid precedent for the term being used colloquially.
First off, yes you did. Second, colloquilly doesn't apply to the ISDs and MCs. They have stated titles. You don't like the titles so you try to spin around it. Neb-B's used in place of cruisers vs ISDs and MCs that are cruisers.
I'm talking about the Falcon's escape from Mos Eisley, not the initial chase of the Tantive IV. I suggest you watch ANH again, especially as it was during that chase that a somewhat overworked Solo called the ISDs "cruisers".
I take that you are asking me to watch how Vader's ship over Mos Eisley after it engaged the Tantive IV which then chased Solo who was an Officer in the Corillian Defense Forces and served shortly for the Imperial Navy called the ISD a cruiser. Oh you must be right how he wouldn't know what an ISD is dispite saying so several times...
That was almost a nice try. But to be honest, no insult intended, I laughed when I read your statement. Its like a movie that was so stupid it became funny.
I'm saying that if there's one battleship, one ship a tenth its size, forty ships a hundredth its size, and nothing smaller in a fleet, then the smallest ships are likely destroyers.
Hummm.... can we say horse shit or is there a brit in the room? First off, if someone has the choice of whatever ships of the fleet they want then why settle for destroyers when they can have cruisers? Vader's squadron was shown to be made up of a bunch of cruisers and a battleship. Done deal. Second item of note. What does a battleship have to do with the rest of the fleet? Does every ship there suddenly down grade because seafort can't understand it??? *ERRRRRRRR* Time's up and the answer is... UH UH, EHHH, WRONG, DON'T THINK, TRY AGAIN, or the personal favorite being the man falling off a cliff... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........ ....... ...... (splat)
You do know that ships in space don't have to have escorts
Then what exactly were those ISDs doing in ESB and RotJ? Sightseeing?
ESB they were forming a blockade around a planet.
RotJ they were trapping the Rebel fleet between themselves and the Death Star.
Really bud, both are great movies. I would say go watch them if it weren't for how they'd break you down to tears when you catch on how royally (yes that's a crown joke peoples) stupid you've been in these Cruiser-or-Destroyer debates. But really, you can cry, its ok.
I can't remember where in the book it turned up (and I really need to buy the thing) but there's a lot more in the AotC:ICS than just descriptions of the ships that appeared in the film. Incidentally, the VenStar isn't in the AotC:ICS (or the film for that matter).
So in other words you were talking without support of any kind just as I've been saying... Good to know.
Shouldn't this be in "list of things people would never say" thread?
Maybe so but Tsu asked for us to take a break and I had such HUGE lead over you that I thought it would be ok.
But... I feel this part of the MC90 debate has run its course. Seafort, while so sad in so many ways has been helpful. He has in fact -
A.) brought back joyful memories as I used to whip chakat in much the same way. The two are so alike at times its like a high school reunion with twins. (ps, I've dated twins and that always ends badly so I don't know why some guys think 2 girls are a good thing made even worse when they look and sound and act alike).
B.) reminded me way I insult people so often. Where I do like to crush people's dreams and hopes it's always more fun when someone like seafort gives a just cause to it.
C.) proved my points of how totally worthless mods are as we have yet another case in which one of them can't even follow the very same rules that they are supposed to impose or enforce on others.
D.) justified yet even more flaming and bashing on yet another poor mindless soul.
E.) most importantly gave me a great laugh. The first time I had to put up with seafort on this I got mad, very mad. Since then I've been able to relax as I've learned to not really put any faith in the site's rules or guidelines and just have fun with it.
F.) (I almost forgot this one) gave me another easy victory over someone. Made better by how bulked that person's ego was.
All in all I count this as a GREAT run of a debate. Though it may just be a good mood since my g/f just got home after being gone for a week.
