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Game of Thrones...might contain spoilers.



He's not wrong though....

I've never read a page/watched a second of that series and I feel I have missed nothing!

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I've never read a page/watched a second of that series and I feel I have missed nothing!

My thoughts on ASOIAF.

Are you saying the the story should pick up the pace, or that GRRM should get the books out quicker? Both would have merit.

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Yeah there is no real direction in the show aside from there is no character shield for anyone. There is hunts but that is still far into the future.

The point of the books is everything has consequences and no one is safe from it.

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RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I've never read a page/watched a second of that series and I feel I have missed nothing!

My thoughts on ASOIAF.

Never watched the show, and have only read one of the short stories in the ASOIAF milieu; having issued that caveat, one really should read GRRM to some extent because he's that good, and the Haviland Tuf stories may be the best place to start rather than ASOIAF.

Nutso wrote:Are you saying the the story should pick up the pace, or that GRRM should get the books out quicker? Both would have merit.

It'd be interesting if a story were to emerge at some point, but by and large my impression of series (the last three books in particular) is that lots of stuff happens, but very little progress is made.

Mikey wrote:having issued that caveat, one really should read GRRM to some extent because he's that good

No, he isn't. His writing is pretty good, but huge swathes of the books seem to have originated with the thought "wouldn't it be cool if..." rather than with any specific objective in mind. Even if he eventually gets to so sort of point, he's taken so long to do so everyone will have forgotten where they started from.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:I've never read a page/watched a second of that series and I feel I have missed nothing!

That's because you know nothing! (Nice one! Think everyone here missed it )

That being said, I love GoT...cannot really understand the complains about not going on and lack of story.

Captain Seafort wrote:His writing is... good

Generally considered one of the hallmarks of a good writer, AFAIK.

Captain Seafort wrote: huge swathes of the books seem to have originated with the thought "wouldn't it be cool if..."

That's not really an indictment. A) That's not always a bad thing for someone who both wrote for television and created the first fantasy realpolitik stores, and B) it is absolutely untrue. Saying that it is is only an indication that you haven't read the Haviland Tuf stories or the Wild Card stories, or the very pointed and thematic -and darkly sarcastic - stories like "Sandkings."

Mikey wrote:Generally considered one of the hallmarks of a good writer, AFAIK.

One of the hallmarks. Another is having a plot, rather than just things that happen. ASOIAF is the latter.

A) That's not always a bad thing for someone who both wrote for television

That might be the problem - he's thinking of it as a TV series rather than a novel.

created the first fantasy realpolitik stores

Hardly. At the very least The Winter King was published a year before AGoT. In any event 's a difference between "wouldn't it be cool if..." in the sense of coming up with interesting concepts and in the sense of stuff happening for the sake of having stuff happen.
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Saying that it is is only an indication that you haven't read the Haviland Tuf stories or the Wild Card stories, or the very pointed and thematic -and darkly sarcastic - stories like "Sandkings."

I haven't. So what? It may be that he's demonstrated better grip in some of his other stories, but not in ASOIAF.