"Admiral" Janeway's worst screw-up?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:21 pm

Don't forget who sent them to Romulus in the first place.

I forgot all about that! This is proof that Janeway is contagious.
It's the only explaination as to why the entire crew of Voyager were idiots.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:19 pm

Giving the blowjob that got her promoted to Captain.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:44 pm

I just got the hugest case of the willies that I've ever had in my life.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:02 am

I just got the hugest case of the willies that I've ever had in my life.

Just as long as Janeway stays the hell away from MY willie, I'm okay.

I recall it being mentioned at least once that she was 'friends' with a bunch of admirals, which is why she got her own ship, and the eventual promotion to admiral. Since they seem to be a bunch of insane goofballs themselves, it stands to reason they would want to induct another dumbass into the fold.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:08 am

Promotion to keep incompetants from endangering the troops further is a tried and true practice in the military. Part of that is probably what drove Janeway to the Admiralty. Especially after seeing the absolute cock-up that was her being stranded in the Delta Quadrant. Better her giving orders than continuing to inflict her on the galaxy and a ships crew.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:15 am

They should lock her in a holodeck while she's sleeping, and keep her in some elaborate simulation where she makes all the important decisions in the Federation. Then, leave her there for the rest of her life.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:33 am

Why is it that virtually all admirals are actually idiots/horrible people?
The only one I can think of who isn't is Admiral Hansen (from Best of Both Worlds)...

I mean okay - get rid of the duff captains and get them behind a desk to get them out of the way - but come on! There is a limit when the entirity of Starfleet's Admiralty are idiots... I think we actually just found out why the captains make all the decisions.

Criminals - Pressman, Leyton
Janeways - Janeway
Imposters - Quinn
Impolite/nasty - Paris, Nechayev, Bullock, Nakamura; even the future Riker
Psychotic/deluded - Norah Satie, Dougherty

Though Janeway manages to fit in all the above categories, I made a special one just for her.

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:39 am

Unfortunately, unlike "Kirk-ness," there is nothing positive about being "Janeway-ish."

In fact, I once dated a girl who was Janeway-ish, but her parents made her break up with me... they wanted her to only date other Janeways.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:10 am

I'd call that a lucky escape.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:40 am

Thorin wrote:Impolite/nasty - Paris, Nechayev, Bullock, Nakamura; even the future Riker.

I wouldn't class them as impolite (unless gripping someone who isn't doing their job properly is impolite), but a few of the genuinely competant military officers in Starfleet. A list you could also add Jellico to as well.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:08 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
Thorin wrote:Impolite/nasty - Paris, Nechayev, Bullock, Nakamura; even the future Riker.
I wouldn't class them as impolite (unless gripping someone who isn't doing their job properly is impolite), but a few of the genuinely competant military officers in Starfleet. A list you could also add Jellico to as well.

But Jellico isn't an admiral

But they're just not generally nice people - Paris just walked round with a huff on, Nechayev held grudges against Picard, Bullock... Well we only saw Species 8472 version of him but it was quite accurate, Nakamura wasn't very nice to Picard (maybe we can let this one off), and Riker was even worse to Picard.
Why is it there aren't any competant and nice admirals?

Post by **Mikey** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:04 pm

Thorin wrote:Why is it there aren't any competant and nice admirals?

Probably for the same reason that Picard wasn't friendls with his staff. It is very difficult to order your buddy to do something unpleasant - let alone potentially dangerous - no matter how necessary.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:41 pm

Mikey wrote:
Thorin wrote:Why is it there aren't any competant and nice admirals?
Probably for the same reason that Picard wasn't friendls with his staff. It is very difficult to order your buddy to do something unpleasant - let alone potentially dangerous - no matter how necessary.

Picard was friends with his staff, maybe not as friendly as Janeway et al, but he was definitely friends. A lot of admirals were friends with Picard (he seemed to know virtually all of them on a first name basis), but even when they talked to him in private they weren't nice.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:44 pm

Thorin wrote:But Jellico isn't an admiral

Well, he becomes one in the New Frontier novels, but I was adding him to the list of competant officers rather than admirals.

But they're just not generally nice people - Paris just walked round with a huff on

He proved quite flexible in his appearences at Pathfinder, prepared to let Reg Barclay remain in Starfleet despite breaking into the lab and proceeding with an unauthorised experiment, and generally assuming a remote but relatively laid-back attitude to command.

Nechayev held grudges against Picard

When? The only time I recall her and Picard going head-to-head was in "Descent", after Picard passed up a golden opportunity to inflict aerious, possibly fatal, damage on the Borg ("I, Borg").

Bullock... Well we only saw Species 8472 version of him but it was quite accurate

How can we know whether the depiction of Bullock was accurate i we never saw the real one? Besides which, given the circumstances we saw him in (dealing with a serious breach of security, and an agent of a possibly hostile alien race running around) beeing somewhat hacked off would be understandable.

and Riker was even worse to Picard.

Who had ignored very strong advice to back off, and taken an unarmed ship into hostile territory to look for something that didn't exist.

Thorin · Post by **Thorin** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:32 pm

Captain Seafort wrote: Well, he becomes one in the New Frontier novels, but I was adding him to the list of competant officers rather than admirals.

I never made a list of competant officers. The entire point is that it was admirals!

He proved quite flexible in his appearences at Pathfinder, prepared to let Reg Barclay remain in Starfleet despite breaking into the lab and proceeding with an unauthorised experiment, and generally assuming a remote but relatively laid-back attitude to command.

Besides all the stuff with his own son (virtually disowning him), he made a competant decision to let Barclay stay in Starfleet. Not one of compassion or nice-ness.

When? The only time I recall her and Picard going head-to-head was in "Descent", after Picard passed up a golden opportunity to inflict aerious, possibly fatal, damage on the Borg ("I, Borg").

Which she held an unprofessional grudge for.

How can we know whether the depiction of Bullock was accurate i we never saw the real one? Besides which, given the circumstances we saw him in (dealing with a serious breach of security, and an agent of a possibly hostile alien race running around) beeing somewhat hacked off would be understandable.

Everything else was very accurate, everything would suggest that Bullock was too. I never said he was hacked off, I said he just wasn't very nice - even before any of them meeting Chakotay et al, such as when he is giving people a tour.

Who had ignored very strong advice to back off, and taken an unarmed ship into hostile territory to look for something that didn't exist.

Again, this is after everything had happened. Before it had, he still wasn't nice towards him. Treating him as an old fool.