Vor'cha Versus Lakota

[Sionnach Glic]

Sphere =/= Cube.

[Reliant121]

Quite true, but Voyager has faced a sphere in the past and never even dented the hull.

[stitch626]

They may have been diferent classes of sphere. The one in FC could have mearly been a last resort escape pod.

[Deepcrush]

Not so much the captain but the tactical officer. As reliant said, a single QT hit means that the Vor'cha is visible with a big hole in it. You're basic plan for the Vor'cha is to fight an entire battle without taking a single hit from the enemy. What are the odds of that, other then not good???

No, but when was the last time you seen a qunatum torpedo do such damage to the enemy aside from Dominion attack ships? Against the larger ships like the Keldon class, all we have seen is that they can disable or cripple the ship. That's from a volley of four torpedoes. The Vorcha is either as powerful or better than a Keldon class. A Vorcha may have better chance than the Keldon but not by much.

I am not saying that the Vorcha will win, but a slim chance 1 out of 10 times, a Vorcha might get lucky with a good crew on board.

The single QT doesn't have to cripple or destroy the Vor'cha. Just cause damage that blocks it from cloaking long enough for more QTs to follow. Remember the same worked in STVI and that was against a cloaked ship that didn't have to decloak to fire.

[Granitehewer]

in redemption, the bortas was attacked by two birds of prey, not three

[Reliant121]

They may have been diferent classes of sphere. The one in FC could have mearly been a last resort escape pod.

The point is, we have no evidence to say that it was. It looked identical to other spheres we have seen, So I see no reason to say it was different from any other sphere we've seen. Voyager could hardly dent the hull of a sphere with standard weaponry (as far as i can remember anyway), and yet 4 quantums tore it apart.


But thats beside the point. as deep said, all it needs is one to knock out the cloaking ability, and then you can virtually mow the thing down with the rest of the quantums at your disposal.

[McAvoy]

Not so much the captain but the tactical officer. As reliant said, a single QT hit means that the Vor'cha is visible with a big hole in it. You're basic plan for the Vor'cha is to fight an entire battle without taking a single hit from the enemy. What are the odds of that, other then not good???

No, but when was the last time you seen a qunatum torpedo do such damage to the enemy aside from Dominion attack ships? Against the larger ships like the Keldon class, all we have seen is that they can disable or cripple the ship. That's from a volley of four torpedoes. The Vorcha is either as powerful or better than a Keldon class. A Vorcha may have better chance than the Keldon but not by much.

I am not saying that the Vorcha will win, but a slim chance 1 out of 10 times, a Vorcha might get lucky with a good crew on board.

The single QT doesn't have to cripple or destroy the Vor'cha. Just cause damage that blocks it from cloaking long enough for more QTs to follow. Remember the same worked in STVI and that was against a cloaked ship that didn't have to decloak to fire.

I agree. It also happened Nemesis. I am not debating that the Vorcha will win, but it seems like some people think that the Lakota just fires a volley of quantum torpedoes and that's the end of it.

The Lakota also was able to damage the Defiant with her phasers only unless someone has seen the Lakota fire photon torpedoes as well.

[Deepcrush]

I'm pretty sure it was a phaser only battle. Both sides trading hits and hoping to make the other back down.

[Vic]

From what I remember neither side really wanted to destroy the other.

[Deepcrush]

Correct.

[Reliant121]

They commented on the firepower of the Lakota's phaser power being much higher than normal, and after trading fire for only a relatively short while they managed to collapse the Defiant's shields (I think. it has been quite a while)

[Deepcrush]

They started their fight around halfway through the ep I think. So they could have been trading phaser fire between twenty and thirty minutes. Since both were still around afterwards is a good testament to their designs.

[McAvoy]

No... good testament to the Lakota. Defiant is the uber ship of Star Trek. The fact that a 100 year old design stood toe to toe with one of the more powerful ships in the fleet is a great testament to the Lakota.

That and those phasers are very powerful.

[Deepcrush]

True, then again, the Lakota is far larger then the Defiant.

[Reliant121]

However, the Defiant acts in a battleship killer function at times. It should have no trouble with 100 year old delapidated light cruiser. The testiment to the design is the capability that it gives the Excelsior to withstand and dish out firepower.