UFP Starfleet type 1 battletank

[Aaron]

I guess in Sweden, enemies have the decency to attack from whichever way you're already facing.

Well it was designed as a defensive tank. Guess mobility was one part of the triangle they didn't pay attention too.

[Sionnach Glic]

Is the S-tank that thing that has the gun built into the hull, so to aim they litteraly need to turn the entire tank?

[Captain Seafort]

Yep. It's got a much lower profile and is a bit simpler a cheaper than most, but that's all the advantages it's got. It's a tank destroyer, not a proper tank.

[Aaron]

Yep. It's got a much lower profile and is a bit simpler a cheaper than most, but that's all the advantages it's got. It's a tank destroyer, not a proper tank.

Yep. Pretty telling that they replaced them with Leo 2's, rejecting the entire S-tank concept.

[Mikey]

To be fair, there are all kinds of neat-o techs in the thing to help aim the main gun - hydraulics to alter the tread height, angle the hull, etc. And replacing anything with a Leopard II isn't exactly an insult.

But to also be fair, they wouldn't have needed all that maintenance-intensive new tech if they had done something crazy... like a friggin' turret.

[Captain Seafort]

Oh, as a tank destroyer it's an exceptional piece of kit, and I doubt there's a tank in the world that would be better from an ambush (although the gun's too small for a modern tank). The problem is that on modern battlefields you need a 360 degree field of fire, not a 5 degree one (if that).

[Mikey]

I suppose with some of the tactics written for the S-tank, it couldbe described as self-propelled, flat-trajectory artillery. The Swedes had books about digging the things in, matching bunkers to the slope of the front armor, etc.

[Aaron]

Oh, as a tank destroyer it's an exceptional piece of kit, and I doubt there's a tank in the world that would be better from an ambush (although the gun's too small for a modern tank). The problem is that on modern battlefields you need a 360 degree field of fire, not a 5 degree one (if that).

Nah the 105 it's got is quite adequate, especially with modern ammo. The vehicle would be fine if it was employed as an assault gun and in it's desgined role it was probably decent as long as it wasn't deployed out side Sweden. I understand that the hulls and armour were starting to crack though.

[Mark]

Yeah........who needs to move the gun? Let's just move the whole tank instead!

[Sionnach Glic]

Well, if they were meant for use in ambushing other tanks I can kinda see where they're coming from.

[Reliant121]

I imagine that they are good for that purpose, but not as a MBT as they were designated.

[Deepcrush]

So is there a final draw out on the UFP MBT? I've been gone and was hoping for the short version to catch me up.