Dusk wrote:Look up the term "double standard."
Total rewriting of the episode.
How the hell is suggesting they just turn around a "total rewriting of the episode"? They went into that region, they could have left quite easily.
And the Borg were not defeated, and the area of space was still clearly Borg. It just had an invading army present.
That's like saying the Third Reich didn't control Poland after wiping out the military there.
Nevertheless if Tuvok touched aliens and his cells proved lethal to them, and said species then retaliated I have a feeling you'd say they were totally justified.
Wrong.
Sure, if they like to start wars and perhaps if their intent is to wipe out anyone who crosses their path.
By all means, show me how defending your territory aggresively is the same as being on a quest to wipe out all life in the galaxy.
They weren't justified at all.
For the last freaking time:
1) Voyager was in space 8472 controled.
2) Voyager was an armed ship.
3) Voyager had interfered with a military operation.
They damn well were justified in trying to take Voyager down. What part of this do you not understand?
If someone invades Saudi Arabia and fires upon the U.S. bases or personnell there, then THEY have committed acts of war on the U.S. Not the other way around.
If someone invades Saudi Arabia, and the US sends armed warships into the region and begins interfering in military operations and sending military personel into SA, then the invaders would be perfectly justified in opening fire.
Tsu wrote:The interpretation that their stated intentions, insane taste in art, and extremely aggressive attitude indicate a certain sociopathic doctrine.
The fact that every action they made in relation to other races in the DQ are totaly contradictory to this seems lost to you. Are they agressive? Yes. Are they violent? Yes. Are they on a quest to wipe out all life in the galaxy? No.
It is possible to be agressive, yet still coexist with other factions, you know.
The second incedent, however, seems to suggest that all of them felt that way.
Yes, they all responded the same.
Suddenly. When Kes was
messing with their brains. A certain amount of hostility is to be expected when someone starts raping your mind.
Really, isn't saying that 8472 isn't xenocidal (did I actually coin a phrase with that?) also a positive assertion?
No, it's not.
Xenocidal = positive claim
Not xenocidal = negative claim.
Proof must be provided for the first. If there is no proof, we default to the second.
They stated an intent to purge the galaxy,
No, one guy yelled it out in the middle of battle. I've pointed out numerous times how this is unreliable. How many times do you want me to point out the same flaws in it?
1) It was in the middle of a battle.
2) It was screwing with Kes' brain.
3) It was a soldier, not an ambasador or high ranking general privy to the campaign plans.
4) In the middle of a battle, agression is natural.
5) Why would he take the time to inform Kes of his race's plans in the middle of a battle?
Now, either adress those points, or stop using that quote as evidence.
Teaos wrote:We have the mind link quotes.
Both of which are unreliable, as I've shown.
The aggrssive nature (attacking Voyager unprovoked
Which was wholely justified.
and destroying whole planets
They were at war. Do you seriously expect them not to use the weapons they have?
Dusk wrote:Just wanted to point out the captured "Ensign" (a member of 8472) screamed, when caught, "DON'T TOUCH ME! DISEASE!! HUMANS!!" before committing suicide.
Taken together with the comments about genetic integrity, I think 8472 regards other races as akin to vermin. A threat to their biological "perfection" in some way (either real or imagined.)
Did it occur to you he may have been talking about a real disease? This is a completely different species he's just come into contact with. Such creatures would be briming with completely unknown and foreign micro-organisms. Remember what happened when smallpox hit the native US population? At least they were on the same planet, these are from completely different dimensions. When you see the effect their bacteria seemed to have on Harry, it's not surprising he'd freak out.
Becomes increasingly difficult to imagine such a race coexisting peacefully with any other race, Borg or not.
Despite the fact they were living right next to a whole myriad of alien races, you mean?
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