"Admiral" Janeway's worst screw-up?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:48 pm

Monroe wrote:Data?

Who got the surface area of a sphere wrong by an order of magnitude ("Relics"), though that an intert lump of rock possesed dangerous magnetic fields ("The Pegasus"), and got himself killed because he forgot that shuttles have transporters ("Nemesis"). Data's as much of an idiot as the rest.

kostmayer · Post by **kostmayer** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:14 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
Monroe wrote:Data?
Who got the surface area of a sphere wrong by an order of magnitude ("Relics"), though that an intert lump of rock possesed dangerous magnetic fields ("The Pegasus"), and got himself killed because he forgot that shuttles have transporters ("Nemesis"). Data's as much of an idiot as the rest.

Well, maybe he thought he'd survive like the other 17 times he's died.

Perhaps his head survived the explosion.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:01 am

Data's was the best death scene in ST history for a main character!

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:03 am

Deepcrush wrote:Data's was the best death scene in ST history for a main character!

It was perhaps equal to, but not better than, Spock's death in TWOK.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:27 am

Please! I love spock's death, but it was nothing next to the voiceless action that data had for the movie. It was a masterpiece in sci-fi.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:37 am

Hey, I think Data's death was great - esp. his final word - because I like brevity. But Spock's had the same sense of self-sacrifice, along with the foreknowledge of a slow, tortuous death... and he didn't blink an eye.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:50 am

Data had that last minute calling that wasn't just because of logic, it was because of loyalty and friendship. That was beautiful!

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:12 am

it was because of loyalty and friendship.

Spock may have quoted a maxim of Vulcan logic, but his was just as great an act of loyalty. I still think they're neck-and-neck.

Deepcrush · Post by **Deepcrush** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:29 pm

Mikey wrote:
it was because of loyalty and friendship.
Spock may have quoted a maxim of Vulcan logic, but his was just as great an act of loyalty. I still think they're neck-and-neck.

Spock had logic and friendship. Data went against logic. I would have just set a phaser to over load and then gone back out the way I came, but that wouldn't make for a good story.

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:34 pm

Spock died because the engines were broken and there was no other solution but to enter the reactor chamber, radiation and all.

Data died because he forgot about the shuttle transporters.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:46 pm

But at least it was an heroic complete lapse of reason...

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:01 pm

Mikey wrote:But at least it was an heroic complete lapse of reason...

Heroic stupidity is still stupid.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:24 pm

Pfft, forget the shuttle transporter stupidity.
Don't the ones in the cargo bay run off a seperate power source?
Could he not have just taken more than one of those transporters with him?
Why did Picard have to go on his own? A heavily armed strike force would have prevented that whole scenario. Hell, they could have just beamed a bomb over.
Did the Scimitar not have transporters of its own?
Why shoot a phaser into the thelaron core? Did Data forget about timers? I think Janeway's stupidity is spreading...

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:03 pm

Rochey wrote: Pfft, forget the shuttle transporter stupidity.
Don't the ones in the cargo bay run off a seperate power source?

True, but they might have been included in Geordi's comment that transporters were down.

Could he not have just taken more than one of those transporters with him?

That was the only prototype. Stupid I know, but that's Starfleet/B&B for you.

Why did Picard have to go on his own? A heavily armed strike force would have prevented that whole scenario. Hell, they could have just beamed a bomb over.

A heavily armed strike force? A bomb? That involves thinking.

Did the Scimitar not have transporters of its own?

Probably knocked out during the battle

Why shoot a phaser into the thelaron core? Did Data forget about timers? I think Janeway's stupidity is spreading...

Don't forget who sent them to Romulus in the first place.

Post by **Mikey** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:13 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:Don't forget who sent them to Romulus in the first place.

Maybe she told them, "Do what I would do," and they all assumed that meant acting without any regard for consequence, and at all costs avoid thinking of any alternatives before acting.