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Even with the (lack of) explanation we got, rather than all the behind the scenes stuff which would have made him great, Nero was far from the worst Trek villain - he was certainly better than Shinzon and Sybok.Jim wrote:Any villian, ANY, would be better than Nero.
I disagree because at least there was some sort of logic behind their motives... even if the story line (Sybok) was worse.Captain Seafort wrote:Even with the (lack of) explanation we got, rather than all the behind the scenes stuff which would have made him great, Nero was far from the worst Trek villain - he was certainly better than Shinzon and Sybok.Jim wrote:Any villian, ANY, would be better than Nero.
Shinzon? Logic? You're obviously thinking of a different Shinzon, because that description bears no relation to the one from Nemesis.Jim wrote:I disagree because at least there was some sort of logic behind their motives
Yep, that's what I liked. Nero is the post office worker who comes in one day and shoots the place up because his wife left him. He's nuts, and he's lashing out at the Federation because he can't do anything about the actual cause of his troubles.Sonic Glitch wrote:See, I dispute the idea that the lack of logic behind is motives makes Nero a bad villain. Indeed I think that was kind of the point. We keep expecting/meeting rational villains (or supposedly rational -- again regarding Shinzon and Sybok your mileage may vary), but by the time we meet Nero, he isn't rational. That's (I think) part of the reason he can switch from [brutally murders starfleet captain] to "Hi Christopher, I'm Nero" to [tortures a starfleet captain for information]. He's not going to behave in a logical or rational manner because he's had 20 years to dwell on the death of his wife and most of his species (implied by the film/flashbacks). That kinda experience could drive a man loopy...
What are you talking about? Nero was a Romulan, and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary was a Romulan citizen. Do you know of any government - in real life or sci-fi - that would let one of its citizens wander around committing acts of genocide and potentially dragging the whole nation into war?Sonic Glitch wrote:Well, there was no government to stop him from going rogue...
The way I understood things, in his original (future) time he was in just the right place that the Romulan military wasn't in position to stop him, while in the past... nobody could stop his ship since it's weapons were over a hundred years more advanced.Mikey wrote:To me, as I said, the logic or lack thereof involved in his motivation isn't the problem I have with Nero.
What are you talking about? Nero was a Romulan, and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary was a Romulan citizen. Do you know of any government - in real life or sci-fi - that would let one of its citizens wander around committing acts of genocide and potentially dragging the whole nation into war?Sonic Glitch wrote:Well, there was no government to stop him from going rogue...
For some reason, I inferred from Spocks recap of the future and some of Neros own statements that (for whatever reason.Mikey wrote:I guess I was absent that day. In any event, he was one guy with one ship and one crew - the contemporary Romulan state should have been able to check him up pretty damned quick, no matter the state of the government.
) somehow most or all of the Romulan Empire was destroyed by this supernova. Does it make sense? Not at all. But that seemed to be what the script implied. Also, it seems Nero's actions in the future (present ... whatever) take place pretty close to the destruction of Romulus, perhaps right after. If I had to guess I'd say the military likely had other things on their mind -- like maintaining order in an Empire that just lost its capitol -- than worrying about a harmless mining ship.I simply see it as evidence of highly centralised governance. To give a modern example, if you set off a W88 on Blackfriars bridge you'd probably have a similar effect on the UK - with both Whitehall and the City gone, how well do you think either the economy or the country as a whole would cope?GrahamKennedy wrote:They often act like destroying the "hero" world will destroy the whole society - everyone acts like the Federation will instantly collapse into chaos if Earth is lost, and the Praxis thing was said to have left the Klingon Empire with "fifty years of life left to it". Just one of those odd little conventions of the show.